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Thread: Still doing arm isolations?

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    Except perhaps for those who come here as total bodybuilding newbies, we all know that arm size grows because of the heavy compound core lifts we do, making isolation for arms (like db curls) look pretty insignificant in comparison.

    Take this poll so we can see just how many of us view this particular issue.
    -Have you totally dropped arm isolation work in your routine?
    -Or do you still do them just because you've been so used to them and it doesn't "feel right" when you leave them out, even though you are pretty much sure they aren't that necessary?
    -Or do you still keep them sacred, because they make your arms grow like crazy? (or at least you are sure they still do a lot of help)

    Vote and please do tell us what you voted for and why, plus any other important / relevant information like the isolations you still use or have dropped (and the compounds you use instead), your results with whatever you have chosen to do, the benefits you get from whatever you chose, etc.

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    I love isolation exercises for biceps. I think thats what really makes them grow. However I dont find them as necessary for triceps, but I would still never finish a workout without doing an isolation exercise for them.

    I'm pretty sure your not a fan of the isolation exercises to make the arms grow. Have you seen growth in your arms without doing isolations? Thats if your not doin them of course.


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    I don't even refer to exercises such as curling movements and other arm exercises as "isolation movements". Only more direct and effective exercises. I pick the exerices that perform the primary function of the muscle. I think the problem arises is that most people don't take "isolations" as seriously and don't load them with as much heavy weight. A lot of guys have their entire ego and self esteem dependant on the compounds. Therefore, there is a tendency to focus more and take those exercises more seriously. I don't know of any pro bodybuilders that don't take the time to add arm exercises.


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    Still do em

    thing is I really want to drop them but am kinda scared. I mean you guys ever seen Pumping Iron (with Arnold) and they show this dude I can't remember his name but his torso muscles dwarf his arms and he just looks weird - He was the one who kept walking around looking for his T Shirt, and who had his kids feel his Biceps in his Backyard...

    dang I can't remember his name, hopefully someone knows who I'm talking about
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    No one should be pointing to pro bodybuilders as a way to justify what they do in the gym. Pro BBers have a horrible understanding and application of training knowledge. They just have really good cycles and strict diets. Run the test of ten men and you too can be that big, provided you have money and dedication.
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    Hi All

    I guess it is not a easy one JV, having discussed this one with you before, its kind of like doing it for old time's sake, there is an inherent belief ingrained deep in one's soul that they must be there

    The hamma says:

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]I think the problem arises is that most people don't take "isolations" as seriously and don't load them with as much heavy weight.
    I both agree and disagree, it has been scientifically proven and discussed by various people, and it makes sense, coumpounds where either the bicep or the tricep are involved can carry so muchmore weight that there is no comparison.

    However I am of the opinion that the isolation exercises should be used purposefully albeit sparingly as they do work!
    I am pretty sure that Sergio Oliva did not build arms solely with compound work! In my opinion I have not yet seen better built arms.

    I still think the best is to be the lab rat and try it out

    what do I have to loose?
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    Sure thing!

    I usually start with heavy compounds and work my way down. Isolations are just the last tweak with only few sets. Best way to get the final pump. Then u r ready to make your posedown in front of the locker room mirrow
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    Hey guys

    Joe,
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]I'm pretty sure your not a fan of the isolation exercises to make the arms grow.
    Well, it really doesn't matter much what I think.
    I didn't start this poll so I can bash anybody else who doesn't believe in the same stuff as I do.
    This poll isn't solely for another round of debate on arm isolations.
    Think of it as a social survey, and if enough people participate, BB newbies, HST newbies, BB or HST vets and experts alike, we'll end up with something more than just a scientific debate on arm iso work - because like Fausto said:
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ] I guess it is not a easy one JV, having discussed this one with you before
    Wouldn't you actually want to hear what some people actually do (aside from what they preach), and the results they got from it? Easily a potential goldmine, especially for those still unsure as to what to do, or those still looking.

    As for me, I still do arm iso work, I still haven't dropped them completely. My routine is pretty much focused on just the heavy compound core lifts, and I just add one isolation for biceps and one isolation for triceps (I hardly ever go beyond 8 exercises per cycle). I don't worry much about those arm iso exercises, and I just change them when I feel like it (but I usually go for those with better stretch, like incline hammer curls). And I certainly don't fall into the trap of adding more and more iso during times they seem not to grow as fast as I would like. I just go on with my routine.

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    Well said JV

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]My routine is pretty much focused on just the heavy compound core lifts, and I just add one isolation for biceps and one isolation for triceps
    Agreed, I throw in 1 x 1 and maybe two diffrent exercises just for the hell of it, I believe it serves a purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]And I certainly don't fall into the trap of adding more and more iso during times they seem not to grow as fast as I would like. I just go on with my routine.
    Again an excellent point, most of us who have read the "pimp my HST e-book" would know that it is not isolations that are going to get you past sticking points, unless maybe a loaded stretch with a stretch point exercise such an incline curls (hammers being better than startight but both adding a good stretch causing the desired microtrauma...and thus the slow transgression to renewed growth .
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