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This post by Bryan is probably one of the better descriptions I've seen of his position in that same thread: http://thinkmuscle.com/community/threads/ah-ha-think-i-caught-on-to-something.43466/page-2#post-259226 I recall Bryan previously describing his reasoning, and I think his argument is...

One more quick post to try to tie this all together since we've tangented all over. The original article of discussion in this thread is whether load progression was necessary for hypertrophy. The research used to justify this position by Brian Minor and others is the emerging research showing...

Btw Ron, what happened between when you posted this and now to change your opinion? http://thinkmuscle.com/community/threads/ah-ha-think-i-caught-on-to-something.43466/ I'm reading through old threads and your first post here is eerily remniscent of what I was getting at in this thread...

I guess I don't see any other way to isolate external load, however, and let all else remain constant. It's like we agree but are almost having a semantical debate at this point imo. Kinda what I mean though, didn't I concede this in literally the first post of this thread? Lol. This is an...

So I'm going to invent an experiment in order to illustrate the HST idea of relative tissue conditioning and using load as a means of increasing stimulation. Imagine we have 5 different groups who are 1) all trained people, with randomization etc. properly performed and 2) have taken a couple...

Imo it's because you keep looking at load out of context. I don't think I've seen anyone put forward the idea that load out of context is better. The only suggestion I've made so far is that greater load might be better in the same context (same volume/duration), e.g. bumping up our weights to...

Also, not seeing how this is troubling with respect to load. As I've been trying to illustrate, if we're going to talk about the value of load as an isolated variable, we can't vary the rest of the hypertrophic equation (where duration of that tension being applied also clearly matters as per...

To tangent on this for just a second, I've periodically liked the idea of inroad, too. One of my early thoughts on this was whether volume/workload was valuable in and of itself, or rather was it valuable because of what it's doing. The most obvious manifestation of what it might be doing...

Uh oh, we're agreeing too much! I think that's the idea, yah. You can have a super slow linear progression in which loads are dictated by strength increases, and that is probably the most intuitive way that a lot of people run programs. What Bryan did was suggest an alternative model where...

For sure. But this was just the load aspect of the stimulus. So I think? we're in agreement that HST style cycles still make some sense on paper. Whether that be conventional sets/reps or myoreps, higher density stuff. Indeed, and this is the other question. I do think it's simultaneously...

I agree with this, but this is why I keep trying to repeatedly qualify what I'm saying. That 15 RM to failure might equal 8 RM to failure isn't really addressing the idea here (whether external load increases are a viable strategy of increasing hypertrophic stimulus all else constant), because...

Simon, great to see you contributing! You actually brought up where I was going to eventually go with my line of reasoning, which is basically the external load's role in what we had previously called the "repeated bout effect." The idea that our muscle tissue somehow gets conditioned to some...

So to pose a question to re-focus discussion here, let's look again at the subject of the original post. Does increasing load, in and of itself, increase the hypertrophic stimulus, all else constant? The all else constant would be frequency, volume, and relative intensity (nearness to...

Didn't disappear, I'll come back with more thoughts as I develop them. Was also waiting to see if others popped in and contributed since I've already said a lot :)

I've gone back and reread our exchange NWLifter, and I think I am understanding your argument even better. I'm attempting to differentiate it from what people like Menno Henselmans, Brian Minor and Eric Helms are suggesting, or maybe more accurately my interpretation of their thinking...

Those graphs are actually great, and I think I mostly understand your argument now. Fair points that recruitment and rate coding increases occur concomitantly, and "dropping out" was probably misleading as you said, as they're just fatigued but still contributing some force still. I have two...

I'm going to try to simplify this to see if we're actually disagreeing here or not. So, using basic muscle physiology, in order to meet the force demands of lifting a weight, we use a combination of recruitment according to size principle and increased rate coding to achieve the force...

Hello Simon and O&G, long time no talk :) Myo-reps is definitely not off topic, in fact I think the concept is extremely compatible with this perspective of hypertrophy largely being a product of sufficient tension-time at full fiber recruitment. As per my last post to NWLifter, I think we can...

Indeed. I appreciate wanting to shut up and lift, and I've for sure derailed my training many times as Jak indicated by experimenting too much, but the physiology side of this is fun in its own right. I understand what you're saying, but the qualifier here is that you could theoretically...

Man, absolutely, I miss discussing this stuff. It's not even possible to have conversations like this at most places. I find this fairly compelling as, if you recall, I was always trying to rationalize how it seemed like, on some level, a higher weight SHOULD translate into more per-fiber...