BTN Press

Peak_Power

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In my never ending quest to hit the lateral delts with a big compound, I've started doing Behind The Neck Press, because I was finding Military Press to hit more the anterior delt and upper pecks.

They've been really effective, and I can see the difference in my lateral delts already, and they get the pump and pain of a muscle that's been worked, which I didn't get from MP.

And they're better in a balanced program that Upright Row, because they use the triceps as synergists, so I have Dips and BTN Press for tris, and Bent Over Row and Pull Ups for bis, which is 2 each (as opposed to 3 for bis and 1 for tris if I did upright row).

Some words of caution though:

-Stretch your pecs and internal rotators first (put your arm bent against a wall), so you can get your arms far enough back to not have to strain your neck forward.

-Lift it from MP starting position over your head and rest it on the back of your shoulders (like a squat) to get yourself set up and ready.

-Make sure your neck is more or less upright (it can be a little forward, but not too much). If you're inflexible in the pecs then you'll find it hard to have your arms back far enough, so do some stretching.

-Be VERY careful with raising and lowering the bar into position, especially lowering. I made the mistake of flipping the bar over my head and letting it fall, which has pulled my scapula out and injured the muscles just below it (probably the rhomboid or lower trap). The safe way to lower it is to lift it over your head so you're holding it in front of your face like Military Press, then lower it controlled to the floor. You have to pause holding it at your chest, don't just flip it over your head and let it drop, it'll pull your scapula forward under load.

-I'm in the last week of 10s now, And the load is getting heavy. Not sure how I'll go with heavy 5s. May have to switch to MP for safety's sake.

I wouldn't recommend BTN Press for noobies or people that don't have great form when doing exercises, they are much risker than the average exercise (more risky to joints than upright rows even), but for the experienced lifter who takes care to have correct form and raisng and lowering technique, they hit the lateral delts like no other compound, imo.
 
I've heard/read that individual structure may have a lot to do with tendency towards injury in this lift.Personally I like them (as well as uprights) but never do them with out an awareness that I'm doing the "dangerous" exersizes and so I always have an exagerated awareness of form (compared to other lifts)when I do them.
I agree with thier effectiveness.
 
I was doing standing ovhd presses with about 165 on the bar this week and tried to ease one down behind the head; it wouldn't go. I emptied the bar and tried it again and it wouldn't go easily. I'd have to do a lot of stretching and ROM movements just to be able to do them, but I admit, I do nothing behind the head normally.
It just feels unnatural to me, maybe due to my rotator problem.
 
I always preferred BTN presses & pull-ups & was stronger at them as well. then I kept reading how they were evil & I stopped.
 
There is nothing wrong with doing shoulder press or pullups behind the neck if they don't bother your shoulders.
 
A great exercise, especially if you're interested in doing olympic lifting. I think the only part to really be concerned with is when you're putting the bar down for another rep. I've started doing BTN push-presses with a snatch grip and it takes some getting used to.
 
I tried to take my right arm and put behind my head and low into my back with my palm open.

I then tried to take my left arm and wrap around my lowe back to the middle of my back.

I was trying to make a handshake with each palm.

I couldn't do this. I read were if you cant do this then your shoulders are too tight...so I guess Im right there with you quad.
 
You could barely get ME in handcuffs! Steve used to do that thing you're talking about. I used to put an arm behind my back and put the hand in the crook of my other elbow and pull up, popping my back. Since I grew lats I haven't been able to do that; the fingers will just touch the other elbow now. Trying your trick my fingertips are about 12" apart. Not like I'm a spring chicken, either...
 
hahaha...yeah, I still remember that conversation we had in another forum. Sometime in Feb. 2000 I could do that, and relatively easily. Now I can't even get my fingertips 6 inches from each other. I doubt many bodybuilders can do that, even amateur natural ones.
 
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(Peak_Power @ Feb. 11 2007,22:09)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Liege how did you get into Oly Lifting, do you know any good sites?</div>
vagrant provided some good links and his advice is good too. Glenn Pendlay's forum has very good links also http://www.midwestbarbell.com/totalelite/

I saw a 19 year old 185 pounder clean &amp; jerk 385 at my kid's high school weight room and was hooked. At the time my 5RM on deadlifts was about 425 and I'm thinking this kid is damn near jerking my deadlift. That's one hell of a motivator. I went to a local competition and saw a 150 pound HS wrestler jerk 308.

Aside from the strength and the overall athletic ability, the muscular development of these guys is incredible, especially the upper back.

And next to a big deadlift, there's nothing like putting big weights overhead.
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Looks like a great site, but won't let you peruse without registering, so I did. At least I'm beginning to LOOK like a powerlifter, heheh. I keep growing the gut, but the weights are soaring and I can't stop!

Help! I've fallen big and can't get small!
 
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