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I realize this is an oversiplification and limited to squats but if a person were to lose, say 20 pounds, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect that the person's squat would also go up. The logic again is simplistic but if you are squatting your upper body weight, couldn't any losses there be transferred to the bar. Obviously it wouldn't be a 1 to 1 ration because some weight would be lost in the lower body and the forces applied are most likely differen but if a person carries much of their weight in their gut it would seem to make some sense that that if muscle loss was minimized while dieting that the person should be able to increase the weight on the bar even a small amount solely based on fat loss. Yes, the net increase would actually be negated because the weight has simply been transferred to some degree from their belly to the bar but from a psychological standpoint the merits should be clear. Does this hypothesis hold water? Apologies if this is the wrong forum but as there is some overlap between training and diet I hope this can be forgiven. Mods, feel free to move this if you want. I searched first but couldn't find anything on this. So, is the fastest way to increase your squat to lose fat?
 
How much weight loss are we talking about here 5, 10 20, 50, 100 lbs?
Above 30 lbs you might percieve an increase if the fat loss is faster than any gains in squat strength achieved during the same period.

If you are experimentally inclined, just forget about losing any fat.
Wear a smallback with 30 lb in it for 1or 2 month everytime you do squats.
Maybe make a weight lighting belt to which you can unobtrusively attach a 45 lb plate.

then do a max squat with and without the back pack/extra weight.


Then again, your subcutaneous bady fat should be normally distributed about your body and this means that there is more of it around your core and less around your shoulders or knees and even less around your hands and head ( hopefully :-))
Thus the

I could go on and on. I think if you really want to know, do the above experiment.
 
It is more likely to lose strength as you lose weight. Losing fat exclusively is difficult, though if you were on drugs, you could probably lose fat while simultaneously gaining strength.

Perhaps a more appropriate exercise to judge this would be chins or dips. Although, I have had a time where I could do more chins after losing weight, technically I wasn't chinning as much weight, so it wasn't really a strength gain. So I guess that one isn't exactly appropriate after all.
 
He asked about squat. Pullup/chin is a different story, different ROM and weaker muscles involved overall so that decreases in strength during weight lose are more apparent. pulling 5 extra pounds during a pull up is way harder than pushing 5 lbs up during a squat.

But you know this.
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I have become obsessed with the squat.
 
losing weight, fat or muscle, will cause a reduction in squat performance on a gross scale.

Lower calories sucks for perforamnce. But as soon as you get back to maintenance, performance will increase again, but generally not to the same scale.
 
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(Aaron_F @ May 21 2006,21:32)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">losing weight, fat or muscle, will cause a reduction in squat performance on a gross scale.

Lower calories sucks for perforamnce.  But as soon as you get back to maintenance, performance will increase again, but generally not to the same scale.</div>
Muscle yes, but I fully, 110%, disagree with your statement that fat loss will decrease strength or reduce squat performance.
 
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(drpierredebs @ May 22 2006,20:00)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Muscle yes, but I fully, 110%, disagree with your statement that fat loss will decrease strength or reduce squat performance.</div>
and you would be correct, if squat strength was completely reliant on muscle alone, rather than overall leverages that are influenced by girth of limbs and the midsection.

Otherwise it would be possible for lifters like Ed Coan to drop an entire weightclass, with fat loss alone, and still squat the same load.
 
'' rather than overall leverages that are influenced by girth of limbs and the midsection.''

so tharts why fat people are so strong!
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(Aaron_F @ May 22 2006,05:25)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(drpierredebs @ May 22 2006,20:00)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Muscle yes, but I fully, 110%,  disagree with your statement that fat loss will decrease strength or reduce squat performance.</div>
and you would be correct, if squat strength was completely reliant on muscle alone, rather than overall leverages that are influenced by girth of limbs and the midsection.

Otherwise it would be possible for lifters like Ed Coan to drop an entire weightclass, with fat loss alone, and still squat the same load.</div>
which is why I asked how much weight he was talking about. obviously if we talking about more than 50 or so pounds then depending where the fat is MAYBE the effect wil be more than strentgh and more biomechanical. You have aALOT of fat between the back of your legs for it to effect the ROM.
 
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(style @ May 23 2006,02:12)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">'' rather than overall leverages that are influenced by girth of limbs and the midsection.''

so tharts why fat people are so strong!  
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If we take the current best squatter in the WPO

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One of the best squatters in IPF (Midote is pretty much up there as well - and the english guy)

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i got him benching cos it shows his pretty belly
 
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(drpierredebs @ May 23 2006,09:54)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">which is why I asked how much weight he was talking about. obviously if we talking about more than 50 or so pounds then depending where the fat is MAYBE the effect wil be more than strentgh and more biomechanical. You have aALOT of fat between the back of your legs for it to effect the ROM.</div>
1) who said anything about ROM
2) the OP said 20lbs
 
Cutting seems to cause strength loss. I have been cutting and it's been very tough to maintain strength. I'm down in almost every lift and I've only lost 8 pounds in 2 months.
 
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