Gaining mucle and losing fat AT THE SAME TIME~!

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SweetDaddyPatty

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I keep reading that it's impossible to gain muscle and get lean at the same time. I'm not sure i understand why.

Imagine I weigh 200 lbs at 25% bodyfat. Over the course of 8 weeks HST program I gain 4 lbs of muscle and 1 ib of fat. Now I weigh 205 with 24.8% bodyfat. It's a small change but over time one could become leaner and leaner while adding significant muscle mass.

Add to that the possiblity of your body using it's existing fat as energy for aerobic exercise.

please discuss.
 
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(SweetDaddyPatty @ Oct. 26 2006,12:05)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I keep reading that it's impossible to gain muscle and get lean at the same time.  I'm not sure i understand why.

Imagine I weigh 200 lbs at 25% bodyfat.  Over the course of 8 weeks HST program I gain 4 lbs of muscle and 1 ib of fat.  Now I weigh 205 with 24.8% bodyfat.  It's a small change but over time one could become leaner and leaner while adding significant muscle mass.

Add to that the possiblity of your body using it's existing fat as energy for aerobic exercise.

please discuss.</div>
If you're 205 @ 24.8% bf, you're a fat guy with not very much muscle mass.  It's easy to gain muscle and fat when you're in that kind of shape, particularly if you're new to working out.   Try being at 10-15% and doing that.  It just won't happen, unless you have Paul Dillet's genetics.  Now try being at 10-15% with a large amount of muscle mass.  Your body will fight you tooth and nail to lose muscle and gain fat.  If you are below 10% and have a large amount of muscle mass, cutting is really FRIKKEN HARD, lol (i'm currently cutting...ignore the shouting)
 
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(stevejones @ Oct. 26 2006,12:18)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">If you're 205 @ 24.8% bf, you're a fat guy with not very much muscle mass.</div>
i just used those numbers so it would be simple to do the math in my head... yeah, that's it
 
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(SweetDaddyPatty @ Oct. 26 2006,12:05)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I keep reading that it's impossible to gain muscle and get lean at the same time.  I'm not sure i understand why.

Imagine I weigh 200 lbs at 25% bodyfat.  Over the course of 8 weeks HST program I gain 4 lbs of muscle and 1 ib of fat.  Now I weigh 205 with 24.8% bodyfat.  It's a small change but over time one could become leaner and leaner while adding significant muscle mass.

Add to that the possiblity of your body using it's existing fat as energy for aerobic exercise.

please discuss.</div>
In this example you aren't getting lean as you suggest is possible. You are just adding more muscle than you are adding fat.

I think your best bet on adding lean mass and losing body fat is to use a cyclical ketogenic diet that is right around maintenance calories. It has worked for me in the past. A few years ago I tried the Anabolic Diet, I didn't check my body fat, but over a 4 month peirod my weight actually went up 4 pounds and my waist measurement dropped 3 inches. Which would lead me to believe that I was losing body fat and adding lean muscle mass.
 
I don't believe an advanced bodybuilder can gain muscle and lose fat simultaneously, no matter how short or long the time frame is.  My definition of an &quot;advanced bodybuilder&quot; is.....someone who weighs 3 lbs per inch of height, and is at less than 10% bodyfat.  However, if someone meets that criteria and has actually done that, I'm all ears.  I'd even listen to them if they were able to lose fat &amp; gain muscle while starting from 15% bodyfat.

Whoops, almost forgot...have to be natural
 
So you are making stuff up to back up your belief? In special situations, like the scenario mentioned, it is possible. Those situations are fleeting and outside of those special situations it is impractical. A person with those measurements should be gaining 8+lbs of muscle while bulking on 8wks of HST or losing 8+lbs of fat on 8wks of HST style cutting.

Losing fat and gaining muscle are two of the hardest things to ask your body to do. Optimum fat loss requires a net energy loss in terms of food intake. Optimum muscle gain requires a net energy gain in terms of food intake. In extreme cases, such as having a high BF%, relatively low muscle mass, or a mix of both, it can fat loss and muscle gain can occur readily. Otherwise, its extremely difficult and inefficient compared to bulking and cutting.
 
this is where lean bulking comes in,take in the cleanest and best quality foods you can to promote muscle gain with little or no fat gain.its difficult to be that precise but hey,no-one said its easy
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(bgates1654 @ Oct. 26 2006,12:54)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">So you are making stuff up to back up your belief?</div>
No, the example I came up with was what led me to the belief, not the other way around. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I just wondered what other people's take on the idea might be.

I'm not an advanced bodybuilder by any means, so perhaps I am an anomaly on this board.
 
Yes, it is possible. However it is very difficult as already stated.

I've done it. It's not too hard when you are very fat. I started at 300lbs at 60+% bodyfat. I lost 160lbs of fat and gained some muscle during the process, working out very hard, doing intense cardio, eating a very strict keto diet, and using my own body fat for fuel.

As my body fat percentage got lower, it became much more difficult. Now I just concentrate on lean bulking myself. When it comes time to cut, I'll worry about maintaining muscle while burning fat. If I happen to gain a little, then that's just better.

If you get really lucky and have your diet perfect, you can lower your bodyfat percentage while bulking. This doesn't mean you are burning fat though. It means that you are gaining more muscle and holding more water than you are gaining fat. End result - is a good lean bulk. Then when it's time to cut, it's not so bad.
 
I plan on lean bulking this next cycle. I even bought a food scale to measure my food intake. It measures up to 22lbs at 2g increments, which is roughly 1/15 of an ounce. Pretty nice for $40. I am gonna use a 400cal surplus as I am sure I can gain about 0.8lbs of LBM/wk.
 
If you gain 4 lbs of muscle and 1 lb of fat, you've still gained fat. You aren't gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, you are gaining both.
 
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(Totentanz @ Oct. 26 2006,21:31)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">If you gain 4 lbs of muscle and 1 lb of fat, you've still gained fat. You aren't gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, you are gaining both.</div>
You are right. I guess what I really meant was gain muscle and get leaner, or gain muscle while lowering bodyfat percentage.
 
To get leaner while gaining 4 lbs of lbm and 1 lbs of fat you need to be above 20% bf already, if you are below, your bf will increase.
 
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(SweetDaddyPatty @ Oct. 26 2006,20:16)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(bgates1654 @ Oct. 26 2006,12:54)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">So you are making stuff up to back up your belief?</div>
No, the example I came up with was what led me to the belief, not the other way around.  I didn't mean to offend anyone.  I just wondered what other people's take on the idea might be.  

I'm not an advanced bodybuilder by any means, so perhaps I am an anomaly on this board.</div>
no you are not an anomaly not to many on here are advanced bbrs but there are a lot of educated guys,
just keep asking if your unsure
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