HR pulse meter and calories burned

bobpit

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I use a Heart Rate meter. It also calculates total calories burned during a wo. Can I trust it?

Maybe it is accurate for aerobic activity, where you constantly produce work. But is it appropriate for weight lifting? I mean, after a heavy set of DL my HR is 180. Then slowly goes down to 130, before I do the next set. I guess the pulse meter tries to calculate the calories I burn based on time vs HR.

According to it, my HST workouts consume 500-800 kcal. Should I trust this?
 
I don't use one. But I would think that it is as accurate during a weight training session as it would be during an aerobic session. Now how accurate it actually is.....I have no idea.
 
I've got one but I don't use it. Sorry.
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Elevated heart rate will definitely be related to calories burned but I have no idea how calories burned during constant aerobic training compares to those burned during weight training based on pulse rate calcs. I find it hard to believe they are the same.
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(Lol @ May 28 2007,20:49)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">how calories burned during constant aerobic training compares to those burned during weight training based on pulse rate calcs.</div>

This is a quote from the book “Facts and fallacies of fitness”, by Mel C Siff, Page 82:
&quot;The post-exercise period is now known to reflect “recovery oxygen consumption” used by the body to regenerate the depleted levels of cellular high energy phosphagens (ATP and CP), as well as … The body is, so to speak, using the long-term energy system to refuel its fundamental energy stores.&quot;

So if I understand well, we breath very heavy after we lift a heavy set because the body goes to aerobic energy production by burning a combination of glucose, lactic acid and fat, in order to replace the used ATP and CP.

If there is a direct correlation between aerobic energy production and HeartRate, then I think the energy expended could be exactly the same.
 
If you accept that the calories burned is not EXACT, then yes you can believe the readings you are getting. In your case, you are breathing heavy because your going towards anerobic metaboilism. Aerobic metabolism is up to about 75% of your max heart rate. Heavy lifting is NOT an aerobic undertaking, it is Anaerobic-it is like sprints, and thus the energy you are burning during the heavy lifting is mostly of glycogen origin. You will burn fat later on after the workout.

Are you using the HRM for dieting purposes or to track your cardiofitness?

As you get &quot;fitter&quot;, cardiovascularly speaking, you should notice your caloric expenditure DECREASE, with the same level of work.
 
Didn't Duchaine look into using a HRM, to determine rest between sets? Try asking over at Lyles site - they may have some insight into it.
I've used my Brother-in-laws' HRM - with a view to buying one - for use in workouts; after a couple of workouts I just couldn't be bothered! It really didn't bring anything to the party...
More importantly, regarding cals burnt, I'd also question it's accuracy whilst doing anaerobic versus aerobic activity 'cause those eggs aint eggs!
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(Lol @ May 28 2007,20:49)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I've got one but I don't use it.  Sorry.
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Elevated heart rate will definitely be related to calories burned but I have no idea how calories burned during constant aerobic training compares to those burned during weight training based on pulse rate calcs. I find it hard to believe they are the same.  
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Calories burned are calories burned. The difference is where the calories come from: glycogen stores or fat. ROUGHLY, weight lifting is an anaerobic activity, i.e mostly gylcogen for the untrained endurance trainee. Endurance training has the advantage that the more you train, the higher your intensity can go whilst still burning FAT. a 1 to 10RM is almost certainly ANAEROBIC and thus the energy is coming from glycogen.

I can go on later, but I gotta get to work.

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(drpierredebs @ May 29 2007,04:32)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">you are breathing heavy because your going towards anerobic metaboilism. </div>
Anaerobic energy production needs no oxygen. Can you please explain this?
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(drpierredebs @ May 29 2007,04:32)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Are you using the HRM for dieting purposes or to track your cardiofitness?</div>
I use the HR meter in order to understand better what is happening to the body. Sometimes I do HIIT and compare the readings to regular lifting.

I lift weights for an hour. I spend 400-800 kcal. My HR goes up to 180 after a heavy set of DL. 10-20 minutes are spent above 80% of MaxHR. My HR rarely drops bellow 125 and averages to 130-140. This is a hell of a cardio wo. I really don't think I need SS cardio to stay healthy.
 
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(bobpit @ May 29 2007,04:51)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(drpierredebs @ May 29 2007,04:32)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">you are breathing heavy because your going towards anerobic metaboilism. </div>
Anaerobic energy production needs no oxygen.  Can you please explain this?
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(drpierredebs @ May 29 2007,04:32)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Are you using the HRM for dieting purposes or to track your cardiofitness?</div>
I use the HR meter in order to understand better what is happening to the body.  Sometimes I do HIIT and compare the readings to regular lifting.  

I lift weights for an hour.  I spend 400-800 kcal.  My HR goes up to 180 after a heavy set of DL.  10-20 minutes are spent above 80% of MaxHR.  My HR rarely drops bellow 125 and averages to 130-140.  This is a hell of a cardio wo.  I really don't think I need SS cardio to stay healthy.</div>
Even when you are performing work in the anaerobic zone, your body still needs oxygen. The point is that at a high intensity, you can not take in enough oxygen to support aerobic metabolism, i.e. beta oxidation of fat,  as the sole source of energy production, so your body will switch to using gylcogen to fuel the heavy work as the energy from gylcogen is isolated much faster and less dependent of O2. When you are breathing heavy you are at what would be considered a ventilatory threshold. The better your cardio vascular system is trained, i.e. through endurance training, the longer and harder you can work before hitting this point. I didn´t mean to imply that you need to do cardio to be healthy, but the heavy lifting and the high intensity with which your are working is not going to help your &quot;Endurance&quot; ( this is not what you where shooting for anyway according to your question) your heart muscle and arteries will get stronger, but your body will not become more efficient at burning fat at higher intensities for longer periods of time.

None the less, using a heart rate monitor to track how your body reacts to work, is perfectly valid and usefull to a certain point.  I use a HRM for different things. I record every month the whole 8 hours of sleep and thus get a picture if my fitness is increasing through a decrease in my resting HR. For example: over the course of 5 months, my average HR throughout the night went from 55-53-50-48-44. And this was almost linear with respect to the increase in time I spent training on the bike. At the same time, it was increasingly more difficult to reacch the HR max that I measured at the begining of the year which was 195. Now I can´t reach 185 and this is good as it tells me that my heart and O2 exchange is stronger and more efficient. ( It is not the result of any insufficiency as I had my heart checked several time under load). This will reverse itself after I stop training so hard at the end of the season.

Granted, you have to be strict on how you control for your analysis of the changes in your HR during exercise, but with a little stringency, you can very nicely and cheaply, monitor progress in your cardiovascular fitness as it relates to your strength training.

Sprints and HIIT are great for increasing VO2 Max and for the burning of fat  AFTER the exercise is finished, but they do relatively little for pure endurance work which lasts more than a few hours. For 1 hour bouts of heavy exercise, you are no so concerned with endurance anyway. At least not as far as weight lifting and increasing strength is concerned.
 
This snippet's from &quot;straighttothebar&quot; from an article on weighted step-ups...

Success has been had by Russian (and later Bulgarian) Olympic weightlifters who replaced much of their squat training with step-ups. An excellent example of this is Bulgarian Leonid Taranenko, who successfully lifted 266 kg (586 lb) in the Clean and Jerk at the 1988 Olympics. This was after 4 years of intense Step-up training rather than the traditional employment of the back squat.

The Bulgarian team used (and possibly still do) the pulse rate as the primary indicator of when to increase the weight. Following warm-ups and a bodyweight-only set of 8-10 reps, triples (with increasing weight) are used. Following each set a pulse rate of 162-180 bpm is expected, and the next set not started until this has reduced to 102-108
 
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