Laboratory avian training (LAT) ?

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QuantumPositron

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The experts on this forum are familiar with chronic stretching studies where constant or high volume loaded stretching ("negatives") induced phenomenal hypertrophy (36% + ). If I were to begin with a very light load and perform 3 to 6 sets daily of eccentric barbell curls would I induce above-average hypertrophy? Or just blow out a tendon?

This came to mind because there was a recent article on T-nation that was solely about a study demonstrating that daily, high volume loaded stretching alleviated chronic achilles tendonitis in long distance runners. The results of the regimen surpassed that of conventional treatment techniques.

Abstract:
http://ajs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/26/3/360
 
I think the key phrase there is "high volume"...and then it was added on top of a RUNNER'S regimen (more high volume) and we generally know that there is a limit to the top level of reps as to where it becomes counterproductive...(takes a deep breath)...so I might assume that with lower reps this technique could be productive enough...but I wouldn't really expect MEGASUPEREXTENSIVEHYPERGROWTH syndrome to occur; or EVERYONE would be doin' it!
We compare apples to oranges when it comes to runners and lifters.
 
To be fair they weren't running.

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"> or EVERYONE would be doin' it!</div>

Maybe no one has tried it yet? At least no one who writes books, articles, or forum posts.

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">We compare apples to oranges when it comes to runners and lifters. </div>

There's some truth to that statement. But I don't have the expertise to determine just how much apple and orange runners and lifters are in this instance. To play on this classical analogy Quad, and to demonstrate my thinking apples and oranges are both round, are both fruit, both grow on trees, and both contain seeds.

Dan Moore, if you happen by my topic would you weigh in?
 
Heheh, yeah, how come we don't say &quot;apples and bean sprouts&quot; or something?
I began my post with &quot;I think,&quot; and that often gets me in trouble, and you have the right to put me in my place. You still keep your &quot;5&quot; rating from me because you tell it like it is...not that one can retract these things or that they mean anything...
anyway, I recall an article from some BB mag years back where they were touting stretch negs as the new miracle in BB'ing...and never saw anything else on it, ever.
Nunca.
I simply (key word there...) derived that it was ineffective or something since it disappeared from the table.
 
I apologize Quad, I didn't mean to spar with you. Maybe if we did some pubmed searches we may find a study on high volume or high frequency eccentric loading in humans. There is at least one, which is the one I linked to at the start of this thread. Interestingly the researchers noted that the strength of the trained limb was the same as the untrained limb. Of course, this doesn't mean that the training method is ineffective for a bodybuilder. The goal of the regimen was to heal the tendonitis, not build big strong muscles.
 
No offense taken Amigo.
As an idea outside of double-blind control group placebo placement studies or whatever, I'll bet we could take a muscle that's unimportant to us that we're not working (my calves for instance) and just work them through a cycle with nothing but loaded negs. Assuming that they would have slight growth just from going from nothing to something, one could judge independently wether or not this method caused decent hypertrophy. But are we really talking negs or just loaded stretch? Has to be a neg for a rep.
Glad to see someone has given some rating points. You certainly deserve more.
 
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(scientific muscle @ Dec. 16 2007,23:41)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I haven't been rating anyone in a long time, it is kind of a dumb feature imo.</div>
I have given 5's to nearly everyone. The other option is a 1, and no active users here have received a 1 from me.
 
Heh. Thanks for your support. For a while I thought I had pissed off the entire forum then I checked. I had two ratings. One was likely a 5 and the other a 1. Occasionally I throw some elbows. Someone is bound to counterpunch. For a while I thought the ratings were a reflection of how helpful a member has been but now I think its more of an opinion poll.

The experiment you propose sounds reasonable. I suppose we would have to check the avian studies to see how we could best emulate them. Calves seem like a good place to start. Its easily measured and it doesn't contribute to other lifts save for stabilizing. I really wish Bryan or Dan or another highly knowledgeable member would comment on my crazy idea. I for one wouldn't try it until I had reason to think it was safe. Tendonitis takes sooo long to heal.
 
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