Losing 1 LB of fat per day

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Heavy Duty dude

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Hello everyone!

I was wondering what you guys were thinking of that?

http://www.bodyfatguide.com/PoundADay.htm

Also have a look at this:
http://www.jssm.org/suppls/6/v3s6abst.php

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The acute increasing effect of a single walking session on cortisol was seen only after the first day when there was a 60% increase. Responses after skiing were greater (2.2- and 2.6-fold). The acute reductions in testosterone concentrations were seen after the first two marching sessions, when they were decreased by 18-22%. LH concentration was decreased by 31-44% after the second and third day. For FSH concentrations suppression was consistently seen after the second march, but not after skiing. The total mood disturbance score remained unchanged during the events. The Fatigue-Inertia affective state was higher after exercise than before the events.
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Cortisol does not seem to increase the first day, and testosterone doesn't seem to decrease.

I guess they were not in caloric deficit however.

Do you think it could be a good idea to do that like once a week? Obviously you don't do that in the gym, you do t outside in the woods or whatever..
 
The physiological thermodynamics is indeed correct, but losing one pound a day is not recommended for most people. Unless you are extremely obese, I wouldn't train such a way. You will end up losing too much muscle. Aim for a maximum weight loss of 1-2 pounds per week. In terms of maximum caloric deficit per day, I recommend taking Lyle McDonald's idea (via research from University of Minnesota) and taking the total pounds of fat on your body and multiplying it by 31. Therefore, if you are like me and have an estimated 28.75 lbs of fat on your frame, then the most calories you should cut in a day is 891.25.
 
Thx for your input. I modified my post.. As you will see it seems that doing it for one day doesn't have negative consequences on hormones.

Also, supplements during that day would include:
- lots of BCAAs and glutamine.
- fat burner, probably clenbuterol.
- vitamin C to lower the cortisol response.
 
Concerning what you say about Lyle's recommendations, I remember that article indeed.

But that caloric deficit is valid in a rested state, not in the case where you do cardio. You can burn a hell of a lot of fat when you do cardio.

For instance when you are in the famous &quot;fat burning zone&quot; about 35% of the calories come from fat. If you're at about 65% HR and are burning say 600 cal/h, that's about 600x0.35=210 cal/h, which corresponds if you were to do that the entire day, to 5000 calories!

Of course the thing is that the higher the intensity the more likely cortisol is likely to increase and the more glycogen depleted you'll become.

Hence the idea of walking, because walking uses a higher proportion of fat. Also it's easier on the joints. You can't burn create a caloric deficit of 3500 calories any other way or you'll begin to get sore real fast.

Also in this page he mentions eating fruits:
http://www.bodyfatguide.com/AcceleratedFatLoss.html

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Your calorie intake on this program should derive from the following: fresh, raw, juicy fruits and raw green vegetables. Oranges, grapes, grapefruit, melons, apples, pears, mangos, papayas, bananas, tomatoes, celery, cucumbers, lettuce, spinach...all fresh fruits and vegetables, mostly if not entirely raw, may be used. In addition, smaller quantities of concentrated protein, starch and fat foods are also permitted as long as you stay within your calorie allowance. Try to find a comfortable balance between the fruits and vegetables and the concentrated foods. Do not eat a one-sided, unbalanced diet, especially for long periods. There is nothing to be gained from feeding yourself extra protein on this program. It will simply be burned for energy.
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Could eating a low GI fruits like apples help reduce gluconeogenesis during the day?
 
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Of course the thing is that the higher the intensity the more likely cortisol is likely to increase and the more glycogen depleted you'll become.</div>

Very true... some studies would be great for this debate! Even if you could walk the fat off so easily, it isn't that easy. It is very time consuming as one could walk at most 4 miles per hour. It approaches more of a jog or light run after that. According to this man's formula, I burn 230*2/3.5 = 131.43 calories per mile. It would take 26.63 miles to burn off a pound. This would take approximately 6 hours and 40 minutes - hardly practical.
 
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(Heavy Duty dude @ Apr. 23 2008,3:39)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">But that caloric deficit is valid in a rested state, not in the case where you do cardio. You can burn a hell of a lot of fat when you do cardio.</div>
It was limited by the amount of fat being released from a fat cell, rather than the amount of fat capable of being burnt.
 
Yes.

The point I guess is that the mucles can burn like 250 cal/hour of fat, you just have to supply them with that amount of fat.

To do that walking with a fat burner and not taking much carbs to avoid too much insulin may do the trick.

The fat burner may also increase the amount of fat being used for energy inside the muscle cells.
 
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">The point I guess is that the mucles can burn like 250 cal/hour of fat, you just have to supply them with that amount of fat.</div>

Excuse me for being dense, but where did you pull that # from?
 
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">The fat burner may also increase the amount of fat being used for energy inside the muscle cells. </div> ...a thousand supps out there claim this, but don't work. Have to wonder, ya know? Clen, on the other hand...

Leave it to Colby to come up with the math. You're such a GEEK man!
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I grew up with a mother who was a clinical dietician and had a masters in nutrition. While I disagree with her on muscle building nutrition, I can regurgitate that 2 - 5 lbs/fat per week is safe and doable. Anything more and you are risking some stuff. I have a very good friend from my college days who, unfortunately lost around 30 lbs in a month to please her boyfriend at the time. She has since had her gall bladder removed. A common thing with those who lose too much too quickly. If you think you have body fat problems now, wait until your gall bladder is gone.

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Do you think it could be a good idea to do that like once a week?</div>

Sure. Just remember these guys were soldiers I doubt they had body fat problems. Also, don't lose your gall bladder. Maybe you should use the concept of progression. 1 Hr walks, 1.5 hr walks, 2 hr walks...etc. 6 hts all at once...isn't that like trying to bench 500 all of a sudden?

Lastly, have you checked into HIIT and EEPOC (sp?). Why spend 1 hour in the gym burning calories when you could spend 4 minutes with the Korte protocol and burn fat all day long? Caloric restriction can be brutal...how's your sustainable meal plan? Speaking of hormones...Getting enough sleep? Stress levels well managed? Read The Relaxation Response. Its the God of all relaxation books. Seriously, nothing can beat it - music, visualization, green tea...nothing. And its only like, 200 pages at the size of a novel (that link is to the free online version at Google Books BTW).

My point is, check your fundamentals first before trying something so extreme. If you are missing one, then get into it. If something is not what you know it should be then lock it down. Ask yourself whats wrong and what needs to happen. This is rational. Doing 6 hr hikes that you may not be acclimated to is irrational. Is it even sustainable?

If you are crazy about supplements (or just want to know)...here is the 2004 International Society of Sports Nutrition's literature review of supplements. It contains lots of helpful information aside from what supplements are supported by research what supplements are not:

http://www.jissn.com/content/1/1/1

Here is a fantastically helpful article at Men's Health (I never would have guessed either) on the supplement industry. Topics include DSHEA laws and how supplement industries get around them, labeling restrictions, what goes into a supplement, who makes decent ones, and how many companies don't. A must read for anyone. 4 pages.

Beyond Balco: Supplement Scandals

Best of luck to you.
 
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(colby2152 @ Apr. 22 2008,10:21)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">According to this man's formula, I burn 230*2/3.5 = 131.43 calories per mile.  It would take 26.63 miles to burn off a pound.  This would take approximately 6 hours and 40 minutes - hardly practical.</div>
I dunno, that amounts to walking the dog for an hour every day (the poor pooch has to get out sometime...!). If that helps me lose another pound every week, it is not such a bad thing.
 
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(TunnelRat @ Apr. 24 2008,12:47)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(colby2152 @ Apr. 22 2008,10:21)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">According to this man's formula, I burn 230*2/3.5 = 131.43 calories per mile. It would take 26.63 miles to burn off a pound. This would take approximately 6 hours and 40 minutes - hardly practical.</div>
I dunno, that amounts to walking the dog for an hour every day (the poor pooch has to get out sometime...!). If that helps me lose another pound every week, it is not such a bad thing.</div>
Well, on a weekly basis, it is practical, but not on a daily basis hence the name of this thread.
 
QP: Another good one. One thing they didn't mention that really ticks me off is sort of like the fairy dusting technique. I don't have a name for it, but if you put a trace amount of something in there, you can list it on the label. That's just as bad as the dusting; it's sort of ''ghosting'' the product. Vitamin companies are real bad about that. When I see &quot;proprietary ingredients&quot; I shy away.
The alternative is government control all the way. You know what happens then. It's a no-win situation, with the exception of what they said about the big companies like Schiff, with real lab techs and responsible packaging. They don't need to cheat.
 
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