M-Time

colby2152

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I am just trying out Max-Stim for the 1st time, so I am tinkering with the M-Time...

70% 15RM = 3 seconds
15RM = 5 seconds
70% 10RM = 3 seconds

How does everyone's M-Time look for their rep ranges?

Another question... do I cluster to a specific # of reps, say 20, or do I just do 15 reps when I am working with my 15RM in Max-Stim?

Thanks!
 
MS itself recommends sticking to a certain rep total throughout an entire cycle, and I believe it's 20 reps.  So if you believe in utilizing the different rep ranges, then simply use MS to get to 15, 10, 5, etc.

I value the endurance I gain from continuous reps, even if it sacrifices extra hypertrophy that strict-MS might offer.  But, I definitely believe MS is a great tool for busting out extra reps.  I tinkered with it a bit early on in my cycle. If I wanted to get say, 15 reps. I would get what I can using conventional reps. If I couldn't get all 15, I'd finish off the rest with MS... kind of getting the best of both worlds. I usually stopped about 2 reps to failure before hitting it with MS.

Then again, there are exercises like DL's, where I use MS to nearly it's fullest.  There is no re-racking required.  I just really don't see how someone can stick to 20 total reps, then when they get to high weight like their 5 rep max, using MS effectively on something like squats.  The idea of unracking, getting set, doing a rep, and re-racking 20 times seems a bit tedious.

But hey, until I ever do it myself I won't bash on it, I just seem skeptical about MS when it comes to some applications of it's use.

As for m-time, I believe Dan even said that m-times of less than 30 seconds is optimal.  Personally, I would go with whatever m-time you feel it takes to get the next rep at full-blast.  So it will more than likely change throughout a given set.  I'm not sure as to how sticking with a set m-time would fair.. would be interesting to know.  I think sci did that, but I don't remember what he said about it.
 
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">If I wanted to get say, 15 reps. I would get what I can using conventional reps. If I couldn't get all 15, I'd finish off the rest with MS... kind of getting the best of both worlds. I usually stopped about 2 reps to failure before hitting it with MS.</div>

Clustering reps for strength purposes?

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I'm not sure as to how sticking with a set m-time would fair.. </div>

That's how Dan explains it on his website.

Like rest between sets, I may just make that decision between the reps. As you said, rest between reps for as long as I need so that the next rep will be at &quot;full blast.&quot;
 
I just go by feel, making sure the next set is hard but not too hard. Iv been doing my sets in groups of 2 or 3 recently, not strictly speaking Max-Stim but it works well. When I say doing my sets in groups of 2 or 3 I could get 5-8 reps If i really pushed it. So...I've been clustering to a total of 20 reps (clustering from the start) in sets of 2-3 with my 5-8RM.
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(colby2152 @ Jun. 19 2007,14:04)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Okay... I'll rephrase the original question.

What are the total reps that you cluster to for Max-Stim?</div>
I do 20 sets of 1, allowing my M-time to vary as needed.

Of course, I a newby, so you've gotta take whatever I say with a grain of salt. But there's something very satisfying about doing 20 reps with my 5RM...!
 
Listen to your body and don't submiss yourself to specific rep number or m-time. I did 20 reps at first, then reduced down to 15, and right now, whilst working with my RM2 or RM3, I'm stickin to 12 reps. Its just that simple. M-time also varies in accordance to workload (up to 60 secs.).
 
20 total reps is the norm with max-stim, but again this number isn't written in stone. Dan recommends no less than 15-20 reps, but you can choose to do more if you like (25 for example). Regarding the M-time, you just rest as much as you need in order to complete the next rep. Normally the M-time increases as you approach your target rep count.

Regards,
Dimitris
 
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(colby2152 @ Jun. 20 2007,09:19)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Thanks Everyone, now another question...

Say I want to get 20 total reps, is that one set or multiple sets?</div>
Sets are just a means for counting work, so I wouldn't worry about whether it's one or four. Just complete your planned number of reps however it adds up.

Your M-time question has already been addressed so I won't rehash that.
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<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Say I want to get 20 total reps, is that one set or multiple sets?</div>
Using conventional terminology for reps and sets, max-stim is like 20 sets of 1 rep. It goes like this

perform 1 rep
rack the weight and rest for the M-time being used
perform another rep
rack the weight and rest for the M-time being used
perform another rep
... and so on until you complete 20 reps.

Just keep in mind that the M-time increases in order to counteract the cumulative fatigue of multiple reps. The M-time between your 19th and 20th rep may be (say) 30 seconds, but the M-time between your 3rd and 4th rep is typically much lower (maybe 5 seconds).

Edit: Dan beat me to the reply. Oh, well...
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Thanks Dan and Dmitris!

I was a bit caught up in the M-Time, but the amount of time is figured out just like rest between sets. Max-Stim is based on pure clustering, but working within the mesocycles of HST.
 
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(9to5lifter @ Jun. 20 2007,09:49)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Edit: Dan beat me to the reply. Oh, well...
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Not really I only addressed the set question, you handled the rest, BTW thanks for replying to his questions.
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<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">BTW thanks for replying to his questions.</div>
No need to thank me or anyone for that matter Dan, just sharing information on a useful training methodology.

Regards,
Dimitris
 
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