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Joe.Muscle

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Ok guys I need your opinion.

I have managed to lean down from 189 to 174.

Right now Im at 174 and I have got bf% to 8 %...but I look just too damn small. Not to mention a lot of the tight shirts are getting loose.

One problem I have had lately is just not eating enough do to work...life...and the heat...its too hot to have a big appetitite.

Well I have decided to try and put some good weight back on. I know how many calories I need... I know the whole protein equation....Im thinking as long as I get in 4000 calories a day and protein is adequate...and as long as its not from Little Debbie snack cakes then this will be ok for a bulk. Correct?

Basically what I am getting at is if I am at 3,000 calories and I need to get the extra 1,000 end I am better to get them from were ever...than not get them at all correct?

thanks guys!
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(Joe.Muscle @ Aug. 08 2006,22:51)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Ok guys I need your opinion.

I have managed to lean down from 189 to 174.

Right now Im at 174 and I have got bf% to 8 %...but I look just too damn small. Not to mention a lot of the tight shirts are getting loose.

One problem I have had lately is just not eating enough do to work...life...and the heat...its too hot to have a big appetitite.

Well I have decided to try and put some good weight back on. I know how many calories I need... I know the whole protein equation....Im thinking as long as I get in 4000 calories a day and protein is adequate...and as long as its not from Little Debbie snack cakes then this will be ok for a bulk. Correct?

Basically what I am getting at is if I am at 3,000 calories and I need to get the extra 1,000 end I am better to get them from were ever...than not get them at all correct?

thanks guys!
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You haven't really listed your goals.   Are you a bodybuilder (non competitive), or just a guy who wants to stay in shape ?  IMO-- If you're a bodybuilder, 174 is pretty small (for a bodybuilder only), even at 8%, unless you are 5'6&quot; or under.  IF you want to be a bodybuilder, eating at least 4k calories per day during a bulk is an absolute must, even if you have to get it from little debbie snackcakes (terrible source of calories, but hey...if you're locked in a truck full of debbie cakes, then.....)
 
If you're looking to gain strength and size and need calories, then start buying natural peanut butter, it's real calorie dense (210 per tablespoon). I blend a serving or 2 in with a couple of bananas and orange juice. It's about 740 calories. Great to have one before and after lifting.
 
Peanut butter, flaxseed, and all the other calorie &quot;hacks&quot; that are floating around. Personally some of the mixture guys come up with sound really sickly but hey, if you wanna reach them goals....
 
Regardless of what several people will say on this forum, good nutrition will always provide better growth than empty calories. Not to say that people don't cheat when in the workout window with the simple sugars, but I've not any competitive BB'ers who win with it. Better to be safe and fuel the machine.
There ARE some studies done on this; I'm just not an expert that keeps them in a folder. I could find some tho, I've seen them. (ABCbodybuilding.com is one place)
 
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(quadancer @ Aug. 09 2006,12:49)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Regardless of what several people will say on this forum, good nutrition will always provide better growth than empty calories.</div>
That's true but then it's all going to come down to how you define an 'empty calorie' surely? IMO that's alcohol
 
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(Joe.Muscle @ Aug. 09 2006,03:51)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Basically what I am getting at is if I am at 3,000 calories and I need to get the extra 1,000 end I am better to get them from were ever...than not get them at all correct?</div>
IMO I agree with you. As long as you're getting 1g of protein per lb, efas and preferably about 25% of your calories from fat (mostly unsaturated).

I don't think complex carbs v simple carbs are too much of an issue as long as you don't eat large meals of just simple carbs (i.e. simple carbs and complex carbs are fine together, for example dessert after a meal) with the exception of pre/post workout.

And eat an absolute pile of food after your workouts, stir friend chicken cooked in olive oil with pasta, lots of veggies and mixed with baked beans is a winner for me at the moment - about 130g of carbs, 50 g of protein, some unsaturated fats from the oilive oil and plenty of vitamins from the veggies :-D

Blending yoghurt, whole milk, bananas etc into shakes after your workout with your whey and maltodextrin/dextrose works well too.

Cheers

Rob
 
I think you're right on the simple vs complex carbs issue, although I like to err on the safe side and stay away from simple as much as I can except for workouts and that occasional piece of pie with tv. (ya gotta live sometime!)

One thing I'm wondering about myself though is that since I drink such a dense shake (made with the same stuff you use), in this Georgia heat it's all I can do to eat anything within two hours after a workout...or more! I just have NO appetite for hours, but I try my best to ingest a tv dinner or rice and chicken or oatmeal with p-butter or something calorie/nutrient dense but not a large meal.
 
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