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Maximuscrates

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I think it sucks but I know a lot of people who are using it. They hurt themselves every week doing it too. Any recommendations on how to convince someone that muscle confusion is bs?

Here is the explanation from the website:

"How does P90X work?

Two words: Muscle Confusion. By providing an extensive variety of different moves that take time to master, P90X is continually challenging the body's muscles into new growth. The more you confuse the muscle, the harder your body has to work to keep up; the more variety you put into your workout, the better and faster your results will be.

The flaw with many fitness products is that they all lead to a "plateau" where the body becomes accustomed to the routines, resulting in diminished effectiveness. P90X avoids this plateau effect by switching things up to keep the body guessing for the entire 90 days. Which means IT NEVER GETS EASY. By breaking old routines and opening new doors, secondary and tertiary muscles are constantly being activated and developed."
 
I'll just speak I believe, for most of us here:
Muscles don't get confused. They get trained.

I'm certain you would achieve some level of conditioning though, doing your circuitous confusion circus ring workouts. I'd not prefer it for hypertrophy though.

This method was blown all to bits back in the 80's when Joe Weider put his name on it. Along with everything else that had been around forever.
 
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(quadancer @ Dec. 08 2007,22:34)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">This method was blown all to bits back in the 80's when Joe Weider put his name on it. Along with everything else that had been around forever.</div>
Quad,
Are you implying that Joe Weider did not actually come up with all those 'Weider Principles' himself? Next I suppose you will try to tell me that he hasn't been training champions since 1936.
 
Why no, me' Anciano!
It's a well-known fact that Joe is the &quot;Father&quot; of BB'ing! Why, he spent his life at great personal sacrifice making manly men from noodle-wristed wienies, and always put forth the true tenets of exersize form and function; why, he even made a magazine to hold all his worldly wisdom, he was so completely full to the bursting point of scientific erudition.
Just before he designed the space shuttle.
 
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(EL_VIEJO @ Dec. 09 2007,03:36)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(quadancer @ Dec. 08 2007,22:34)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">This method was blown all to bits back in the 80's when Joe Weider put his name on it. Along with everything else that had been around forever.</div>
Quad,
Are you implying that Joe Weider did not actually come up with all those 'Weider Principles' himself?  Next I suppose you will try to tell me that he hasn't been training champions since 1936.</div>
has joe weider done a lot for the sport of bodybuilding? yes he has, a huge amount.

but what he didnt do was invent bodybuilding. he basically improved on what people had done before, what people had written down before. and thats what most of us do, we stand on the preverbial shoulders of the men and women that came before us.

so did he come up with all those principles by himself? no he didnt.

many people have gone through the whole &quot;muscle confusion&quot; training at some point in their lifting career, me included, and to an extent it works, but you do and can reach a plateau with this type of training, so there in lies its floor.
 
besides which joe weider doesnt make a champion a champion, its down to the individual, how much drive they have, how hard they are willing to train to acheive their goals.joe weider picks the ones that stand out in a crowd, people who he can promote and make money off. they might not be his only reasons, but in the end he doesnt make them into a champion.
 
Icar,

Actually, I have quite a bit of respect for anybody that could publish his 1st magazine at age 17 and become a millionaire in an area that, at the time. was considered a strange kind of cult. He most definitely has done a lot for bodybuilding. And, to be fair, he has said that he didn't invent the Weider Principles, but that he collected and cataloged them. I was poking fun at Joe Weider's marketing techniques. You've got to admit that he could go over the top at times with personal aggrandizement. Like the bust with the folded arms - his head ; somebody else's body.
 
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(EL_VIEJO @ Dec. 09 2007,13:40)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Icar,

Actually, I have quite a bit of respect for anybody that could publish his 1st magazine at age 17 and become a millionaire in an area that, at the time. was considered a strange kind of cult. He most definitely has done a lot for bodybuilding. And, to be fair, he has said that he didn't invent the Weider Principles, but that he collected and cataloged them. I was poking fun at Joe Weider's marketing techniques. You've got to admit that he could go over the top at times with personal aggrandizement. Like the bust with the folded arms - his head ; somebody else's body.</div>
agreed! dont get me wrong, without weider, bodybuilding might not have acheived the notoriety it has today.
 
I'll concede that. But his magazine was the first one I'd quit reading due to dubious information and pushing products, the stuff that sells it.
Little did I know at the time that I would eventually quit reading BB rags entirely. I guess he's no worse than the others, but putting his name on &quot;principles&quot; is what really got to me back then.
 
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(QuantumPositron @ Dec. 21 2007,13:55)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Muscles don't get confused.</div>
especially if you feed em some DHA!
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