Question about muscle memory

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precious_roy

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Hey Guys and Gals,
I have sort of an interesting question for yous. If you have reference studies by all means list them, but any input would be helpful.

OK, here is scenario A. (hypothetical by the way)

I am an untrained individual. Strong but I don’t lift a lot of weights. I wish to learn how to power clean (or any complex movement). How many GOOD FORM repetitions of the whole exercise would I need to complete before my muscle memory would be adequate?

The reason I ask this is, for my purposes, relating to a golf swing. A golf swing might be slightly more complicated however they both engage many muscles in the movement. I am trying to rebuild my own swing, which I have developed over the years and am trying to approximate how many balls I need to hit to develop my form. To than end…

Scenario B.

I am a trained individual in the power clean. I have done between 1000-2000 repetitions of the exercise since I began training. However my form is incorrect and I wish to start over from scratch. How many repetitions would it take for my new form to ‘override’ the muscle memory of the old form?

Again, any input would be helpful. Thanks a ton in advance.
 
It varies a lot, but some show an increase in MVC and 1 RM strength with no changes in muscle girth at around 2-4 weeks or so. Meaning neural learning is taking place without concomittant hypertrophy.
 
I think that a lot of that has to do with how well you can focus when trying to change your swing. For example my baseball coach in college wanted to change my swing in a few ways. Mainly my approach with pitches on the outer half of the plate. I really think that a lot of the adjustments I made were a result of how hard I concentrated and focused on keeping my weight back and turning my hips instead of sliding them...etc. I don't think you can just place a number of repetitions or a number of weeks on something like that.


Joe G
 
It should be noted that "muscle memory" doesn't mean "how you remember to use a muscle during a lift."  Nothing like that at all.  Rather, muscle memory is the ability of a detrained and atrophied muscle to return to its previous state much faster than if it had never progressed to that state.  It is the ability to retrain a muscle faster than training a muscle for the first time, all things equal.
 
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Quote[/b] (Conciliator @ Sep. 15 2005,3:57)]It should be noted that "muscle memory" doesn't mean "how you remember to use a muscle during a lift."  Nothing like that at all.  Rather, muscle memory is the ability of a detrained and atrophied muscle to return to its previous state much faster than if it had never progressed to that state.  It is the ability to retrain a muscle faster than training a muscle for the first time, all things equal.
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OK, then maybe I have used an incorrect term. What I was referring to was the ability of your mind and body to activate specific muscles in a specific sequence at a particular time. Again such as the sequence of muscle activation used in a power clean.
 
I got ya ;) , which is why I posted on MVC (maximum voluntary contraction) not muscle memory. MVC is only one issue though but without going any deeper it will suffice.

Take Care

Dan
 
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Quote[/b] (Conciliator @ Sep. 15 2005,2:57)]It is the ability to retrain a muscle faster than training a muscle for the first time, all things equal.
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Not exactly but close enough for Government work.
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Dan
 
Ah, ok. Thanks Dan. By the way, what is up with the hypertrophy-research forum? I haven't been able to get it to come up in a while.
 
Ever since they changed over the server it's been screwed. I am trying to find another resource but since the one I am using doesn't allow backups I need to copy over all the threads and manually input all the members again, once I do we'll be good.

In the meantime I've noticed it is easier to get on during the mornings and evenings.

I have emailed the "managment" with no reply so at this point the heck with em, I'll use another service.

Dan
 
Well supposedly they have it fixed, well see??

If you try and it doesn't please let me know.

Dan
 
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