12 months of HST

Jester

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I thought I'd share my first 12 months of HST with everyone.

Prior to taking up my first HST cycle 12months ago, I had trained the way it seems that most uneducated people do, for a little over 4 years. Full body, then upper-lower, then bodypart splits. Prior to this I was immensely obese, clocking in at 120kg and not anything remarkable for muscle, 6'1/186ish cm.

My stats for strength, weight and arm size at this time:

Weight - 90kg, ~ 15-18% BF

Arms - 14.5 inches (only measurement taken).

Strength:

Bench - 1RM 90kg
Squats - wasn't doing them
Deads - see above
Pulldowns - 1RM 90kg
Chest supported BB Row - 1RM 75kg
DB Press - 1RM 30kg

Dips and Chins were not possible yet.

My first cycle was a 6 days per week, Upper-Lower split. I'm a gym rat thru and thru. If I could lift iron 3 times a day, 7 days a week I would. So 6 days seemed to work for my tastes :). I took a 13 day SD and jumped into it.

Well, the results of this first cycle were very pleasing. My arms were tentatively 15inches, my strength levels skyrocketed and 95kg became my new 1RM for bench. I found I could do deads for a rep with 120kg and SLDLs with 100kg. I had moved onto BB rows free weight and these quickly became a favourite exercise. Most importantly my body composition shifted dramatically, I dropped down to about 12% BF (but with some loose skin still on the mid section) and noticed improved vascularity and a few kgs gained.

I began my 2nd cycle in late Feb, and thanks to this discussion with Jules (Vicious) Frequency I was doing 6x per week, sometimes 5x per week as Uni had started up again.

Looking back, I hadn't quite grasped the necessity for growth that is diet. This cycle wasn't quite as productive as the first in terms of strength of LBM gained. I weighed in at 95kg at my latest scales visit, however this cycle was cut 3 weeks short by illness. At the end of March I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis. Roughly translated this is a chronically bleeding large intestine. The specialist informed me that 80% of my large intestine was inflamed and I was about 2 days away from fatal dehydration. A week in hospital, another week at home confined to bed and some heavy medication provided a perfect SD (silver lining). This thread was also relatively recent Heavy HST courtesy once again to Jules and also Lance.

My next cycle was going to be Heavy HST. A week on apple juice only in hosptial had me craving for food and I was determined that no matter what the fat gain, I was bulking with a vengeance. I utilised a variety of post 5s techniques such as loaded stretches, DC stretches, metabolic work, clustering and sheer stubborness. 6x frequency again was my choice here, and I was consuming in the range of 4000kcals per day.

The results of this cycle were most impressive. I was now able to do Dips with 25kg DBs, Chins with 15kg DBs, Incline Flies with 35kg DBs and was throwing 200kg on the bar for static holds (top range of deadlift) with the over-under grip. I went from being 94kg up to 102kg over 8 weeks. I gained a fair amount on the waist, but not enough to require any new pants. I suppose I should mention that I have a large bone structure. My "slim/average" looking waist is about 37inches. My arms grew to 16 inches. My calves were now up to 17 inches (I decided to measure these after they were discussed a bit in the forums) and was using 400kg for my 10RM on calf raises.

After this successful bulk I decided that it was necessary to cut. Once again turning to Jules, I took his approach to increase frequency rather than drastic caloric reduction. I took a couple of days off (nothing resembling an SD) and the proceeded to go fro 8x-12x a week. Compounds only with the exception of an isolation set once per week (biceps, triceps, shrugs, forearms). I replaced all high GI carbs with low GI and avoided any foods with saturated fat (i.e. it was tuna, chicken, whey, skim milk and whole grain bread).

I maintained this approach for nearly 2 & 1/2 months. Shedding size of the waist esp. I dropped down to 97-98kg very cautiously. I didn't lose any size on my arms or calves, and what I gained was an increase in definition all over. The top 4 of my 8 pack were now showing and about 10 weeks ago I decided that I was done with dieting. Jumping into SD with immense enthusiasm, I started reading thoroughly through all the literature I could find. The one downside to cutting is the reduction in strength - one or two increments for most exercises.

At the end of 2 weeks, I had decided that I wanted to explore Compound-emphasis in a bulking routine. I decided to use a 4x fullbody per week routine. Once again I had no desire for the 15s or 10s. My goal with this routine was to use it as a ramp-up for 5x5. The bench press has NEVER been a particularly good exercise for me. I have long limbs, my deltoids far outweight my pectorals...whatever the reason, I find that Dips far outweight the bench for my body. I was hoping to rectify this with a 5x5 routine.

I am currently in the middle of the 5x5 and hit my RMs in the most recent workout. This Friday coming (14th) I am going for PRs across the board (bench, BB rows, deads). I have been eating above maintenance since the 2nd week of SD and although my arms have not gained in size, I have made noticeable gains in the upper back, lower back, chest and deltoids.


My new stats:

Weight - 101-102kg, ~ 15-18% BF

Arms - 16.25 inches (only measurement taken).

Strength:

Bench - 5RM 100kg (soon to be broken I hope)
Squats - 5RM 80kg
Deads - 5RM 130kg (soon to be broken)
Chin ups (wide) - 5RM Body weight +20kg
JS/Pendlay BB Row - 5RM 107.5kg (soon to be broken I hope)
DB Press - 5RM 37.5kg
Dips - 5RM Body weight +30kg


To review:

I have gained approx 10kgs without a net change in %BF levels.

My arms have grown by nearly 2 inches, despite at least 3 months in cutting/hospital. This does not include SD time either.

My shoulders have always been my strong point. I have awesome width, high thick upper traps and big, powerful delts. HST has made this even more so.

My entire back has exploded. Coupled with my shoulder growth, my old clothes don't fit, I have to buy XL or XLL which is ridiculous for the waist, so I'm tailoring shirts now. I am particularly proud of my back development. Chest and biceps are not my strong points but that's genetic (muscle volume). They're still comparable, but my upper back esp. is thick, powerful and growing ever wider. My only complaint is that a wide waist negates my lat spread a bit more than I'd like
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My glutes and legs have always responded to training and I've scaled them back this year as I don't need them outshining my torso.

What I've learned:

HST incorporates the 3 most vital principles in my opinion-

1. Diet. You MUST eat in excess. This is not negotiable, there should be no new questions about this. The only people who needn't do so are those with %BF levels over 25 I believe.

2. Frequency is the key to your goals. Determine what works best for you and co-ordinate it with your Diet. I would lean slightly to saying that 3x/4x works better than 6x for strength in the long run. I was coming off a full systemic SD when I made the best gains. 6x frequency will make you feel like a workhorse, but I am sure that 3x/4x is just as viable.

3. Progressive overload. You must become stronger to continue to gain. 15kg curls do not compare to 120kg chin ups. 35kg flies don't touch 130kg dips.


These 3 principles are all tied into one foundation thought (for lack of a better phrase)...

...chronic application over extended time. Do not think of muscle or strength gains in terms of days or weeks. Think of it in terms of months or years. When you are building your body you must think of it in the long term. Develop your co-ordination for compounds, develop form and strength. If you have a hypocaloric day that's fine, but make tomorrow a hypercaloric day to maintain your surplus over time. Do not look for a miracle or an overnight fix. Look to find a program/routine that works for you and that you can apply for 8, 12, 16 weeks at a time. Longer if you you desire...so long as your gains continue.

Progression over time matters. Whether it's HST style, heavy HST style, Dan's HRT, Lyle's bulking or DC. Progression over time is the key.

My last thoughts are regarding SD. A few people here and many elsewhere (Lyle's board for example) feel that deloading (down to your 15s for example) may prove superior to unloading. I'm starting to agree with this. The adaptations that prevent continued growth, once you've been doing heavy weights for 2 or 3 months, will not be maintained if you reduce the level of stimulus to that of the 15s. I'm probably not phrasing this very well, but I wonder if you can simply bring the level of stimulus down and the level of conditioning/RBE adaptation will decrease/drop off accordingly. And then you ramp up thru the 5s and so on again after 10-14days of deloading.

Anyway...

Thanks to anyone who took the time to read.
 
I should also add these to what else I've learned:


Cutting out high GI carbs, for whatever reason will halt and likely reverse fat gain. Keeping the totals the same, this is what happened for me. Not sure how, don't care why, but the "clean" diet certainly has this as a plus.

The upper back and traps respond to explosive movements in a way that no other body part seems to. Pulse stretching/bouncing at the bottom of chins/shrugs/rows whilst potentially dangerous works like a charm.


And lastly, here are the supplements I have used:

Creatine - 5g daily, post w/o if it's a w/o day.

Fish Oil caps - these are also to manage the colitis, along with my standard meds, 10-16 caps a day.

Glucosamine - 5g daily.
 
Hi!!!
Congratulations on your progress!!!
So, deload + 5's+ post 5's have done better for you then the SD+15+10+5+post 5's?
What was the volume of your workouts?
What was your workout's duration?

Thank you very much
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Giovanni
 
Did your arms grow on your latest compounds only cycle? The Heavy HST routine is interesting, but not for me (still applying O&G's diet theory)

Deloading - Lance, isn't that what you have been doing? It seems like it goes with HST principles. It may be possible that the stimulus from the 5's will be strong enough with a deloading phase of 15's, but I also believe that there would be no reason not to SD either.

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Quote[/b] ]Cutting out high GI carbs, for whatever reason will halt and likely reverse fat gain. Keeping the totals the same, this is what happened for me. Not sure how, don't care why, but the "clean" diet certainly has this as a plus.

What index levels was your food averaging or maxing out at? Bread seems to be a food that you would have to avoid unless you were going with rye bread.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]I have gained approx 10kgs without a net change in %BF levels.

And that is also with time in the hospital where you most likely lost muscle... good stats.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]1. Diet. You MUST eat in excess. This is not negotiable, there should be no new questions about this. The only people who needn't do so are those with %BF levels over 25 I believe.

In my school of thought - key words "my" and "thought" is that you could have LBM gains and lose fat even at slightly lower than maintenance, and you wouldn't have to have a bf% of 25 or more. However, the rate of putting on LBM and losing fat is limited depending on your bf%, but a person with a bodyfat% in the teens can still put on LBM while eating under maintenace. I think Dan pointed out a study on this from pubmed, but that's not the point. Someone with a bf% of 15 wouldn't be able to put on as much LBM or as quick as a person with a bf% of 25 while eating at or slightly under maintenace. As long as they have ample amounts of protein and target most of that intake around pre and post workout - and eat clean (low GI, EFA's, stay hydrated, good fiber intake), then the fat resources on their body should be enough.

I just wanted to throw that out there. I'm not saying I eat at or slightly under maintenace, or that others should. As I said, I follow O&G's ways and eat slightly above maintenace - I have had great gains and watched my bf% drop in a half of a year on HST with this diet. However, if someone has a higher bf%, then they don't need to follow traditional cutting principals.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Thanks to anyone who took the time to read.

Great post Jester!
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-Colby
 
Haven't yet measured my arms for post-cycle. I'm still in the midst of 5x5. Once I'm done with this (4-5 more weeks) I will measure.

The only carbs I was taking in was post WO about 70grams, a little bit from milk used to mix the whey (10-15gms or so) and wholegrain bread. Maybe the GI of the bread is effectively decreased if it's taken with other foods (bigger, bulkier meals with tuna, chicken etc).

Anyway, there was a definite removal of any other carbs.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]So, deload + 5's+ post 5's have done better for you then the SD+15+10+5+post 5's?
What was the volume of your workouts?
What was your workout's duration?

Was just voicing thoughts about deloading vs. unloading. Haven't tried it as yet.


The volume for my bulking was pretty high.
6x a week, 2 sets of 5s plus a burn set plus a loaded stretch, which then became 12-15 clustered reps plus burn plus l.s.
I should be clear here. This volume is exhausting. Even though I was eating huge amounts and gaining weight with it, I never felt as though I was overfed. If I hadn't eaten a lot on a particularly day then the next day I was noticeably more tired.

Cutting was using far less volume. 2 sets of Dips/Incline Bench, Rows/Chins, Deads/Squats, and DB/Military. But frequency was higher.

Workouts never go longer than an hour for me.
 
Jester, if I was to consider 6x/week training.. most likely going AM-PM split, how much should I eat if my maintenace level is 3200 kcals.

This question is also based on the fact that I don't bulk or cut.. I eat slightly above maintenance (300-500 kcal.) I would think that using that same theory but going 6x/week would make my intake a bit higher on WO days.

Lance would have some good insight on deloading.

-Colby
 
I would think +300-500 on top of what you're taking now if you're doing 6 days weekly.

For 3x twice daily I'm not sure. More on workout days than rest days, and that extra should be around the w/o's themselves.

It's tough to say what the numbers are. It's probably easier to keep eating until you gain and then maintain that level. Jules may have mentiond the numbers in the Frequency topic or the Customising HST topic.

I've been reading up on BodyRecomposition a bit where Lance (amongst others) have been discussing deloading.

It isn't a particularly new concept and Lyle stated that over the last 50 years or so that's sports/athletics training has shifter from a training-offseason-training approach to more of a training-reduced training-training approach.

Consider that a world class sprinter or weightlifter is unlikely to completely unload nowadays. Instead training is strategy is targeted around the date of competition and the design is worked back from there. After competition there's a reduced training program - sort of "maintenance" I suppose. And then things start to pick up again sooner or later, dependant upon the next competition date.
 
Interesting post Jester

And some results one can definitely use when trying similar cycles. :D

Don't completely agree with the slowing down theory but that is minor and completely up to the athlete. :D

I feel that SD is highly beneficial although not a desirable thing amongst most of us.
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I am also of the school tought that 15's and 10's should be there even if minimized or squeezed into two weeks together, but hey, choice is there for the taking right?

As long as the principles are applied.
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However that is borderline out of the HST principles and somewhat dangerous, but it may work for small periods of time.
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Great post, Jester. Always good to hear about other people's experiences with HST. I don't know about the deloading part, though. I can't understand how deloading can be superior to SD (size-wise). Any insights/opinions on this?
 
Fausto - HST principles or not, if it works it works. Look @ powerlifters and olypmic lifters. Just a thought worth exploring if one only focuses on heavy training.

Just for interests sake, here was the Heavy-HST 6x program:

Routine A.

2x Deadlift
2x Incline Flies + 12-15 rep incline press burn
2x Chins + 12-15 rep w.grip pulldown burn

Routine B.

2x Leg Press
2x Dips + assisted dips 12-15 rep burn
2x BB Rows + 12-15 rep burn

Accessory for both A & B
1x Leg extn
1x Leg curl
2x Sm. Machine shoulder press + stripping
1x Lat raise
1x Rear raise
1x BB shrugs
1x Behind the Back BB Wrist curl
1x Incline curl
1x Skullcrusher
3x Calves

Chest, Back, Shoulders, Bis, Tris and Calves all had a loaded stretch as per DC/HST.

This was finished in under an hour. Yes, it will kill you. Eat to compensate.
 
To try and explain deloading...

Think of the stimulus you're receiving over time.

The adaptations (RBE) occur to compensate for the stimulus and as we know these do not happen overnight - yes you can use a weight more than once, the heavier the weight the more often it will still be effective (albeit diminishing returns).

As the stimulus over time is increased the adaptations match.

If you drop to a level of decreased stimulus then the adaptations to a heavy load will cease to continue being applied by your muscles.

Whether doing 15s or SDing you are no longer applying the heavy load.

Does it work? Well....from my understanding, this is how powerlifters and 5x5/DFHTers train. I'm not saying that verdict is in, but deloading appears to be viable just as unloading (SD) is.

Repeat: I'm not saying which is better, just saying it's an interesting thought.
 
jester the problem with using power and olympic lifters as examples is they are mostly on gear..good luck with your training :D
 
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Quote[/b] (faz @ Nov. 15 2005,12:35)]jester the problem with using power and olympic lifters as examples is they are mostly on gear..good luck with your training :D
yeah, and they also put on a lot of fat, which isn't the goal for 99% of the guys here

jester, good links - a few of those I never came across before
 
Yes but there's an excessive number of BBers "on gear" as well.

Just a theory/thought anyway.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Jester @ Nov. 15 2005,10:32)]To try and explain deloading...
Think of the stimulus you're receiving over time.
The adaptations (RBE) occur to compensate for the stimulus and as we know these do not happen overnight - yes you can use a weight more than once, the heavier the weight the more often it will still be effective (albeit diminishing returns).
As the stimulus over time is increased the adaptations match.
If you drop to a level of decreased stimulus then the adaptations to a heavy load will cease to continue being applied by your muscles.
Whether doing 15s or SDing you are no longer applying the heavy load.
Does it work? Well....from my understanding, this is how powerlifters and 5x5/DFHTers train. I'm not saying that verdict is in, but deloading appears to be viable just as unloading (SD) is.
Repeat: I'm not saying which is better, just saying it's an interesting thought.
How powerlifters train is not relevant; HST is training for size, and powerlifting is not. Why look at peaking cycles intended for strength training and assume it is correct for size training?

Going directly to the actual proposition:

1. You're assuming that your muscle will gradually decondition from the heaviest exercises as you gradually decrease the weights. That may not be the case; we're not talking about max-weight sensors in the muscles; we're talking about microfiber scar-like tissue that has grown within your muscles preventing further damage. Unless you back way off on the stimulus, that tissue is unlikely to go away quickly. If you only back off the weight a bit, it would probalby go away very slowly.

2. Even if the tissue does go away at a good clip as you back the weight off, it's all wasted time! Let's say you drop from 300 to 250, and you gradually decondition so that 300 would be effective again; and then 275 would be effective. At that point, you've dropped to 200. When 250 and 225 are effective again, you're down to 150. All wasted time! And THEN you start your proper decon?

The whole point of HST is to minimize the time wasted in Decon. It's necessary, but you don't want to waste any excess time in "non-growth." That's why we don't decon for four weeks. And it's why, during the cycle, we raise the weights gradually. We could jump up to the 5-rep weights almost immediately and get great growth -- but it would only last a few weeks. By raising the weight gradually, we keep the weights just ahead of the adaptation curve. It allows us to spend more weeks growing.

But after the adaptation curve has caught up with the weights, backing off slowly is silly, because you will be stuck BEHIND the curve all the way down.

The best bet is to get a known effective decon as quickly as possible by stopping all lifting -- so that you can get back into the gym as quickly as possible, and Start Growing Again!
 
Edzui, all your points are conclusive, but the theory of deloading doesn't suggest a slight drop from 300 to 250 as you used in your example. If you went from the end of your negs right into the beginning of your 15's (no SD, hence the theory and point of deloading) then that's like me going from 250-260 to 110 pounds in dips. That's a drop of 56-60%, albeit not the complete 100% eliminating of loading like strategic deconditioning offers.

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Quote[/b] ] Unless you back way off on the stimulus, that tissue is unlikely to go away quickly. If you only back off the weight a bit, it would probalby go away very slowly.

The idea is to totally back off the stimulus or at least take the previous effect of it on the muscle tissue away. With this transition of weight and the point of SD being relative, that 260 pounds would have over 233% of the effect that the first day of my 15's would for Dips.

It's not that I disagree with total deconditioning or full unloading at all, but it's always best to make a case out of things and see if one is better than the other.

-Colby
 
I'm saying that after going from 5s -> 5RM -> clusters/negs for 8-12weeks, doing 2 weeks of unloading @ 15s weights may be better/no different than an SD.
 
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Quote[/b] (Jester @ Nov. 22 2005,8:39)]I'm saying that after going from 5s -> 5RM -> clusters/negs for 8-12weeks, doing 2 weeks of unloading @ 15s weights may be better/no different than an SD.
OK, I misunderstood the concept of deloading.

I think you'd need to go lighter than 15's, though. The mechanisms that lead to resistance are the same mechanisms that lead to growth: stretch microtrauma induces the muscular growth as well as inducing the tissue growth that resists further damage. Since we know that weights as light as the 20-25 RM can cause a muscular growth effect (in the untrained), it's reasonable to assume that weights that light will also cause the growth of (or failure to lose) the resistive tissue.

If forced to guess, I would assert that it's easier to maintain the resistive tissue than to cause new growth, because it's always harder to get the body to cause a change than it is to make it stay the same. This suggests that to have any hope of revsersing the resistance to exercise, you must lower to below the threshold where the exercise can have a training effect. If it's having no training effect, then it's hard to argue there's value to the exercise.

The idea that intrigues me now is this: what about doing REALLY light weights, like 30's? With strict form, very slow contractions, quick eccentrics, and no rest betwee reps, you can get a good burn. This suggests a training effect for the metabolic systems, and potentially good calorie-burns and light-duty therapy for injured systems. If 30's are light enough to do this while allowing for the deconditioning effect relative to the heavier loads, you might have something. . . substituting 30's for a decon. Some people hate the week off for decon, and it can help prevent fat gain from inadequate exercise.

But I have my doubts about it serving as a substitute for a decon, and am all but certain that 15's will be too much weight to allow the decon to happen.
 
But why would adaptations that are elicited from heavy weights be maintained when that stimulus is removed?

I guess what I'm saying is this:

Adaptations/RBE - is it specific to the stimulus, or is it more of an all-or-none effect?

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Since we know that weights as light as the 20-25 RM can cause a muscular growth effect (in the untrained)

Studies with untrained subjects aren't a great reference for dealing with RBE.
 
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