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(DanOz @ Jun. 27 2007,04:58)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(colby2152 @ Jun. 26 2007,13:02)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Faz is correct about the benefits of the longer SD, especially for the seasoned lifter. As far as deloading is concerned, I think the 15's are too heavy. You would have to go into a mesocycle of about 25-30 reps IMO.
Danoz, HST is just a simple set of principles that are meant to be tweaked to fit YOU. Starting with sub-max weights is a highlight of HST so that you use progressive load. HST probably leans 75% towards strength and 25% towards hypertrophy. I'm just pulling those numbers out of the air as there is really no way to measure such a statistic. Sci wants a much more equal balance between strength and hypertrophy, and by the way he talks, he is probably leaning towards strength. All he is doing is HIT with half of the HST principles - most notably increased frequency.
For what it's worth, I think the program will work out for him. Best of luck Sci!</div>
Hey Colby,
"HST is a simple set of principals meant to be tweaked to fit you" is pretty much what I was saying. My point though is that by doing this I would still call it vanilla HST as this was the intention of the program.
As for HST being geared more towards strength than hypertrophy - mmm, why then is it called "Hypertrophy Specific Training" - seems to directly contradict your belief.
Dan</div>
So basically we agree that it`s the principles that matter, and not the routine on the site
The fact that you experienced growth using the program doesn't quite invalidate the fact that submax training for extended periods may be suboptimal, because you can`t isolate SD+submax training+increments every workout as the reason for growing...sticking with HST means making the right choices WRT training:the trend is to increase weight over time(important), proper training frequency, constantly elevated protein synthesis etc. There are a number of things that cause success. Where I think we'll just have to agree to disagree is the benefits of SD in terms of affecting RBE and actually making submax workouts worthwhile. Whilst taking breaks is a must, MHO is that after a deload/complete break, you can comeback at about 80/85% of your former RM, and throughout two weeks work back to it, and then focus on hitting some new PRs, increasing weight only once at the beginning of the week, instead of every workout.
(DanOz @ Jun. 27 2007,04:58)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(colby2152 @ Jun. 26 2007,13:02)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Faz is correct about the benefits of the longer SD, especially for the seasoned lifter. As far as deloading is concerned, I think the 15's are too heavy. You would have to go into a mesocycle of about 25-30 reps IMO.
Danoz, HST is just a simple set of principles that are meant to be tweaked to fit YOU. Starting with sub-max weights is a highlight of HST so that you use progressive load. HST probably leans 75% towards strength and 25% towards hypertrophy. I'm just pulling those numbers out of the air as there is really no way to measure such a statistic. Sci wants a much more equal balance between strength and hypertrophy, and by the way he talks, he is probably leaning towards strength. All he is doing is HIT with half of the HST principles - most notably increased frequency.
For what it's worth, I think the program will work out for him. Best of luck Sci!</div>
Hey Colby,
"HST is a simple set of principals meant to be tweaked to fit you" is pretty much what I was saying. My point though is that by doing this I would still call it vanilla HST as this was the intention of the program.
As for HST being geared more towards strength than hypertrophy - mmm, why then is it called "Hypertrophy Specific Training" - seems to directly contradict your belief.
Dan</div>
So basically we agree that it`s the principles that matter, and not the routine on the site
The fact that you experienced growth using the program doesn't quite invalidate the fact that submax training for extended periods may be suboptimal, because you can`t isolate SD+submax training+increments every workout as the reason for growing...sticking with HST means making the right choices WRT training:the trend is to increase weight over time(important), proper training frequency, constantly elevated protein synthesis etc. There are a number of things that cause success. Where I think we'll just have to agree to disagree is the benefits of SD in terms of affecting RBE and actually making submax workouts worthwhile. Whilst taking breaks is a must, MHO is that after a deload/complete break, you can comeback at about 80/85% of your former RM, and throughout two weeks work back to it, and then focus on hitting some new PRs, increasing weight only once at the beginning of the week, instead of every workout.
