Compromising Technique for Load ?

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yshemesh

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what am i better off doing ?
perfect form and slow execution (1-3) for a given amount of reps,
or
free(er) form (not SLOPPY), faster execution (1-2) with a HIGHER LOAD for the same amount of reps.

now, i know load is the more important factor
BUT
i wonder how important it is to emphasize the eccentric, which you can't do if it's too short.

thoughts ?
 
I think that first, it depends on what exercise you are talking about. A loose form can mean first that you won't be hitting the right muscle groups in some exercises, and even more troublesome, it could potentially lead to injury.
So if you are doing squats, I would say use less weight and keep the form strict, but if it's just incline bicep curls or something minor like that, then it isn't as big of a deal.
 
Sloppy/free form is never acceptable. All movements should be done accordingly.

Why squats should be done in good form and biceps can be done more sloppy?
 
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I think Tot refers to somthing like cheat curls, which in a way is a kind of negative as the cheat helps with concentric part only!

Surely compounds should not be treated "lightly" as they easily cause injuroes, which in the end slow one down.

Cheats however should only be used by vets and then with all the necessary caution, it is because of something like that that I developed tennis elbow
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Quote[/b] (Fausto @ Sep. 12 2005,7:51)]Tcup
I think Tot refers to somthing like cheat curls, which in a way is a kind of negative as the cheat helps with concentric part only!
Surely compounds should not be treated "lightly" as they easily cause injuroes, which in the end slow one down.
Cheats however should only be used by vets and then with all the necessary caution, it is because of something like that that I developed tennis elbow
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Fausto is right. Sorry, I would have explained that in my post but I thought it was obvious. Cheating on the concentric when you are emphasising the eccentric during negatives is a somewhat common tactic. Like Fausto said, you should be very careful though... and like I said in my post, I would definitely not do it on heavy compouds i.e. squats, rows, etc.
 
Great comments from everyone. I would like to reemphasize the importance of safety when getting sloppy. Its just not worth risking injury just to do a few short reps with a weight that you can't handle.

One the other hand, there are times when it doesn't hurt (no pun intended) to put on a little more weight and do a few eccentric reps. Chins are a very good example of concentric form inhibiting progressive load. I have found that many many lifters are limited in their concentric strength when doing chins compared to the amount of weight they can effectively handle doing negatives. I have seen time and time again people make new gains in their lats when they start doing eccentric only chins (use a chair or bench or whatever). The reasons they make sudden new gains is because before they could only use as much load as they could pull up in proper form. However, when all they had to do was slow downt he decent, the weight loads go way up and new growth occurs.

So, once again, safety is always priority number one. But using eccentric only sets, even if it means cheating the weight up, is often a good way to trigger new growth.
 
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