Ephedrine
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<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">... ephedrine has been shown in numerous studies to be an effective weight-loss aid (as a thermogenic and appetite
suppressant). Plus, research indicates it can temporarily enhance energy levels. Until recently, ephedrine was
considered the most effective natural thermogenic on the market. However, you should know that since 1994, the
FDA has received and investigated over 800 reports of Adverse Events (i.e., reactions) associated with products
with ephedra (or ma huang). Reports that range from elevated blood pressure, muscle disturbances, insomnia, dry
mouth, heart palpitations, nervousness, strokes, and even death.</div>
The very first thing that will help you is water. Start with about one oz. per pound of bodyweight. You might want to find out the ideal amount of water for you. My ideal water intake for instance is 1.2 oz. per pound of bodyweight. More water intake is useless for me and less water intake means less fat loss.
Take guarana powder. I’d suggest 0.5 – 1.0 g per day preferably in the morning and / or 30 minutes before cardio. Guarana powder has given me the most impressive fat loss rates and is absolutely safe. Just don’t take it with coke or alcohol because this can give you insomnia for three days.
I’m currently trying chromium and that sucks big time, so perhaps you shouldn’t waste your time with this. Sometimes I even think it makes you gain a little.
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">... ephedrine has been shown in numerous studies to be an effective weight-loss aid (as a thermogenic and appetite
suppressant). Plus, research indicates it can temporarily enhance energy levels. Until recently, ephedrine was
considered the most effective natural thermogenic on the market. However, you should know that since 1994, the
FDA has received and investigated over 800 reports of Adverse Events (i.e., reactions) associated with products
with ephedra (or ma huang). Reports that range from elevated blood pressure, muscle disturbances, insomnia, dry
mouth, heart palpitations, nervousness, strokes, and even death.</div>
The very first thing that will help you is water. Start with about one oz. per pound of bodyweight. You might want to find out the ideal amount of water for you. My ideal water intake for instance is 1.2 oz. per pound of bodyweight. More water intake is useless for me and less water intake means less fat loss.
Take guarana powder. I’d suggest 0.5 – 1.0 g per day preferably in the morning and / or 30 minutes before cardio. Guarana powder has given me the most impressive fat loss rates and is absolutely safe. Just don’t take it with coke or alcohol because this can give you insomnia for three days.
I’m currently trying chromium and that sucks big time, so perhaps you shouldn’t waste your time with this. Sometimes I even think it makes you gain a little.
bgates1654
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I have never done an ECA stack but I have done an EC stack. Dosage: 6x 10/100 E/C. I would suggest start with one dose a day then move up depending on how you feel. The first week or so can be rediculous. It can also make it extremely hard to get your required protein in.
I wouldnt worry about the side effects if you take sane amounts and allow for a slow build up. The side effects fade are you get used to it, but the metabolism boost does not.
Fish oil 6-12 standard 1 gram doses a day helps.
For some really good information on cutting, look up Lyle McDonald's forum. I'd consider looking into Bromocriptine as well as the PSMF diet.
I wouldnt worry about the side effects if you take sane amounts and allow for a slow build up. The side effects fade are you get used to it, but the metabolism boost does not.
Fish oil 6-12 standard 1 gram doses a day helps.
For some really good information on cutting, look up Lyle McDonald's forum. I'd consider looking into Bromocriptine as well as the PSMF diet.
I use this page for info on ephedrine: Ephedrine. The girl that wrote the page is a member of BB.com and references some stuff from Bryan Haycock in her article. I know a couple of people who have used ephedrine with little side effects (slight hand jitters and takes longer to pee). I'm cutting right now and will use it if I can't get the results that I want. Here in Texas, you can just go to walgreens and get the bronchitis medicine; don't know about other states.
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(bgates1654 @ Mar. 28 2008,12:28)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I have never done an ECA stack but I have done an EC stack. Dosage: 6x 10/100 E/C. I would suggest start with one dose a day then move up depending on how you feel. The first week or so can be rediculous. It can also make it extremely hard to get your required protein in.
I wouldnt worry about the side effects if you take sane amounts and allow for a slow build up. The side effects fade are you get used to it, but the metabolism boost does not.
Fish oil 6-12 standard 1 gram doses a day helps.
For some really good information on cutting, look up Lyle McDonald's forum. I'd consider looking into Bromocriptine as well as the PSMF diet.</div>
I thought to use EC 25/150-200 in the morning. What do you think?
And can you give me a link to lyles forum?
(bgates1654 @ Mar. 28 2008,12:28)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I have never done an ECA stack but I have done an EC stack. Dosage: 6x 10/100 E/C. I would suggest start with one dose a day then move up depending on how you feel. The first week or so can be rediculous. It can also make it extremely hard to get your required protein in.
I wouldnt worry about the side effects if you take sane amounts and allow for a slow build up. The side effects fade are you get used to it, but the metabolism boost does not.
Fish oil 6-12 standard 1 gram doses a day helps.
For some really good information on cutting, look up Lyle McDonald's forum. I'd consider looking into Bromocriptine as well as the PSMF diet.</div>
I thought to use EC 25/150-200 in the morning. What do you think?
And can you give me a link to lyles forum?
I guess it's not going to do any good here to mention the buildup of effects from ephedra because one guy noticed a reduction of side effects while using it? This stuff is a killer and if you've had ANY heart problems, especially tachycardia (palpitations), they're gonna get worse, not better.
It's your choice, but there are many effective thermogenics out there that won't kill you, like as in NOT BREATHING NOW.
Personally, as a heart patient on a pacemaker, I've found Guarana and Yohimbe to be safe. Some of the chemical concoctions are an irritant and better avoided as well.
It's your choice, but there are many effective thermogenics out there that won't kill you, like as in NOT BREATHING NOW.
Personally, as a heart patient on a pacemaker, I've found Guarana and Yohimbe to be safe. Some of the chemical concoctions are an irritant and better avoided as well.
Avoid Ephedra. Bad stuff. If you are going to use this, stick to Ephedrine instead. Much the same as you would avoid the herbal form of Yohimbe and opt for Yohimbine instead. Most of the side effects with Ephedra and Yohimbe are due to all the other crap that is in it. Stick to the purified forms and you'll fair a lot better.
With regards to Ephedrine, I've had great results from it. It also helps with my breathing, which is something I've had problems with my whole life. I'd rather see someone using an EC stack than messing around with clen or dnp.
With regards to Ephedrine, I've had great results from it. It also helps with my breathing, which is something I've had problems with my whole life. I'd rather see someone using an EC stack than messing around with clen or dnp.
Hm. You're most likely right, but I use 500mg tabs of Yohimbe bark from Natrol...it says no yeast, wheat, corn, milk, egg, soy glutens, artificial colors or flavors, sugar, starch or preservatives. Other ingredients: gelatin, magnesium stearate.
No problems so far. It's potency does diminish with age, as seems to happen with all herbals.
No problems so far. It's potency does diminish with age, as seems to happen with all herbals.
Well the main problem is the other parts of the herb that are in there. If you get Yohimbine HCL, you can take a much smaller dosage and get a cleaner effect. Just for instance, a guy around 200 lbs would probably only need to take 12 mgs or so of Y HCL, compared to whatever the normal dosage of Yohimbe is. Anyway, Yohimbine is the actual part of the Yohimbe that does stuff, so I'd prefer not to get the other parts of the herb that I don't actually need.
I've taken both and Yohimbe gives me a jittery feeling for some reason whereas Yohimbine doesn't have a noticeable stimulant effect, although after taking it I do find my workouts are more productive. I actually prefer that to the jittery feeling.
I've taken both and Yohimbe gives me a jittery feeling for some reason whereas Yohimbine doesn't have a noticeable stimulant effect, although after taking it I do find my workouts are more productive. I actually prefer that to the jittery feeling.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
So far, my favorite combo is a modest dose of caffeine along with 5-10 mgs of Yohimbine HCL. That gives me good alertness and seems to put me right in the zone usually. Speaking of which, I haven't used that in a long time. I might have to look into getting some again.
Oh, it's worth noting that taking Ephedrine or Ephedra along with Yohimbine or Yohimbe is a bad idea. Don't anybody do it. If you must take them in the same day, make sure it's a few hours apart at least.
Anyway, I don't know how much you are paying for your Yohimbe but you can get Yohimbine HCL for quite cheap online and it lasts for a good while. 1fast400 had good prices on it when I bought it there a couple years ago.
The main benefit I see to the Ephedrine/Caffeine combo is the appetite supression. It does boost metabolism significantly, but who cares if your metabolism is running high when you are starving, right? If you can just forget about food, it makes cutting a bit easier.
Of course for sensitive individuals, you'll probably want to pass on it. As I said, I love Ephedrine but that's mostly because I have some breathing issues anyway and Ephedrine makes my life a lot easier in that regard.
So far, my favorite combo is a modest dose of caffeine along with 5-10 mgs of Yohimbine HCL. That gives me good alertness and seems to put me right in the zone usually. Speaking of which, I haven't used that in a long time. I might have to look into getting some again.
Oh, it's worth noting that taking Ephedrine or Ephedra along with Yohimbine or Yohimbe is a bad idea. Don't anybody do it. If you must take them in the same day, make sure it's a few hours apart at least.
Anyway, I don't know how much you are paying for your Yohimbe but you can get Yohimbine HCL for quite cheap online and it lasts for a good while. 1fast400 had good prices on it when I bought it there a couple years ago.
The main benefit I see to the Ephedrine/Caffeine combo is the appetite supression. It does boost metabolism significantly, but who cares if your metabolism is running high when you are starving, right? If you can just forget about food, it makes cutting a bit easier.
Of course for sensitive individuals, you'll probably want to pass on it. As I said, I love Ephedrine but that's mostly because I have some breathing issues anyway and Ephedrine makes my life a lot easier in that regard.
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(Totentanz @ Mar. 29 2008,11:22)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Avoid Ephedra. Bad stuff. If you are going to use this, stick to Ephedrine instead. Much the same as you would avoid the herbal form of Yohimbe and opt for Yohimbine instead. Most of the side effects with Ephedra and Yohimbe are due to all the other crap that is in it. Stick to the purified forms and you'll fair a lot better.
With regards to Ephedrine, I've had great results from it. It also helps with my breathing, which is something I've had problems with my whole life. I'd rather see someone using an EC stack than messing around with clen or dnp.</div>
This is what i was talking about, ephedrine, not ephedra. I want to use 25 m"g of E + 150-200 m"g of C in the morning. I dont feel hungry during the cut, but i heared that it helps to use fat as source for energy. What do you say?
(Totentanz @ Mar. 29 2008,11:22)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Avoid Ephedra. Bad stuff. If you are going to use this, stick to Ephedrine instead. Much the same as you would avoid the herbal form of Yohimbe and opt for Yohimbine instead. Most of the side effects with Ephedra and Yohimbe are due to all the other crap that is in it. Stick to the purified forms and you'll fair a lot better.
With regards to Ephedrine, I've had great results from it. It also helps with my breathing, which is something I've had problems with my whole life. I'd rather see someone using an EC stack than messing around with clen or dnp.</div>
This is what i was talking about, ephedrine, not ephedra. I want to use 25 m"g of E + 150-200 m"g of C in the morning. I dont feel hungry during the cut, but i heared that it helps to use fat as source for energy. What do you say?
bgates1654
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"This is what i was talking about, ephedrine, not ephedra. I want to use 25 m"g of E + 150-200 m"g of C in the morning. I dont feel hungry during the cut, but i heared that it helps to use fat as source for energy. What do you say?"
If you are not having any problems with hunger or energy levels then I would go ahead and skip it. No "fat burning" pill is going to boost your metabolism significantly. There is some indication that is does affect the P ratio so that the fat/muscle burning is adjusted more towards fat though. More info can be at Lyle's site on that: www.bodyrecomposition.com. IIRC the difference is minimal there too.
25mg/150-200mg E/C would be rough for at least the first two weeks to a month. Build up to it if you are going to go that route. I have never heard anyone say taking a larger than normal dose in the morning is any better than taking the even 6x 10/100 doses.
If you are not having any problems with hunger or energy levels then I would go ahead and skip it. No "fat burning" pill is going to boost your metabolism significantly. There is some indication that is does affect the P ratio so that the fat/muscle burning is adjusted more towards fat though. More info can be at Lyle's site on that: www.bodyrecomposition.com. IIRC the difference is minimal there too.
25mg/150-200mg E/C would be rough for at least the first two weeks to a month. Build up to it if you are going to go that route. I have never heard anyone say taking a larger than normal dose in the morning is any better than taking the even 6x 10/100 doses.