How much does Alcohal hurt our gains?

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I am actually cutting....i USED TO BE IN GREAT SHAPE.

then I had a long bought with alocohal for about a yr....

now I am in the process of cutting my alocohal down....how much will it hurt me cutting?

Ive read that it may not impact my fat loss..but could impact protien synthesis.

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Dont know about protein synthesis but ive read it does have an effect on fat loss. A very small amount of alcohol is converted to fat...then most of it is converted into a substance called acetate which is released into your blood stream and largely replaces fat as a source of fuel for maybe a few hours. So its main effect is to slow fat oxidation which isnt going to be helpful during cutting obviously.
They also say it can also raise levels of cortisol and lower testosterone for a while which isnt what u want when trying to retain as much muscle mass as possible.
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Just read this:

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">A recent study, published in the November 2004 issue of the International Journal of Obesity, compared the effect of two different diets over a three-month period [7]. Both diets contained 1500 calories daily, one with 150 calories from white wine and one with 150 calories from grape juice.

Weight loss in the grape juice group and white wine group was 8.3 pounds and 10.4 pounds, respectively.
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So its probably not very significant when its being controlled, like with all things just keep it in moderation and it shouldnt hamper your progress.
 
I imagine it could affect protein synthethis, it causes hypoxia and slows your metabolism down, prob also affects your hormones too. In other words its bad!

Its like saying &quot;will eating chocolate cake make me fat?&quot; Well yeah, if you eat too much, but a little bit now and then won't hurt.

Worse than drinking regularly though is drinking a lot in one day. Like weights, too much volume = &quot;overtraining&quot;, but low volume high frequency ain't that bad (just look at how healthy the french are)
 
Consider:
Excess alcohol (probably any for a bodybuilder) can hamper memory. The memory you need to use to keep track of your workout routines.
Excess alcohol makes you lazy, apathetic, careless. Not good for gettin' to the gym, workin' hard in the gym, being safe in the gym, and not cheating your workouts.

I know because I'm an ex-alcoholic/drughead. (19 yrs clean)
 
Acute alcohol ingestion afects PS and subsequant hypertrophy in several ways.

1: Hong-Brown LQ, Brown CR, Huber DS, Lang CH.
Alcohol and indinavir adversely affect protein synthesis and phosphorylation of
MAPK and mTOR signaling pathways in C2C12 myocytes.
Alcohol Clin Exp Res. 2006 Aug;30(8):1297-307.
PMID: 16899032 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

2: Nakahara T, Hunter R, Hirano M, Uchimura H, McArdle A, Broome CS, Koll M,
Martin CR, Preedy VR.
Alcohol alters skeletal muscle heat shock protein gene expression in rats:
these effects are moderated by sex, raised endogenous acetaldehyde, and
starvation.
Metabolism. 2006 Jul;55(7):843-51.
PMID: 16784954 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

3: Lang CH, Pruznak AM, Deshpande N, Palopoli MM, Frost RA, Vary TC.
Alcohol intoxication impairs phosphorylation of S6K1 and S6 in skeletal muscle
independently of ethanol metabolism.
Alcohol Clin Exp Res. 2004 Nov;28(11):1758-67.
PMID: 15547464 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

4: Lang CH, Frost RA, Deshpande N, Kumar V, Vary TC, Jefferson LS, Kimball SR.
Alcohol impairs leucine-mediated phosphorylation of 4E-BP1, S6K1, eIF4G, and
mTOR in skeletal muscle.
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Dec;285(6):E1205-15. Epub 2003 Aug 26.
PMID: 12944322 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

5: Hunter RJ, Neagoe C, Jarvelainen HA, Martin CR, Lindros KO, Linke WA, Preedy
VR.
Alcohol affects the skeletal muscle proteins, titin and nebulin in male and
female rats.
J Nutr. 2003 Apr;133(4):1154-7.
PMID: 12672935 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

6: Vary TC, Nairn AC, Deiter G, Lang CH.
Differential effects of alcohol consumption on eukaryotic elongation factors in
heart, skeletal muscle, and liver.
Alcohol Clin Exp Res. 2002 Dec;26(12):1794-802.
PMID: 12500102 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

7: Lang CH, Frost RA, Kumar V, Wu D, Vary TC.
Impaired protein synthesis induced by acute alcohol intoxication is associated
with changes in eIF4E in muscle and eIF2B in liver.
Alcohol Clin Exp Res. 2000 Mar;24(3):322-31.
PMID: 10776669 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

8: Lang CH, Wu D, Frost RA, Jefferson LS, Kimball SR, Vary TC.
Inhibition of muscle protein synthesis by alcohol is associated with modulation
of eIF2B and eIF4E.
Am J Physiol. 1999 Aug;277(2 Pt 1):E268-76.
PMID: 10444422 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

9: Preedy VR, Patel VB, Reilly ME, Richardson PJ, Falkous G, Mantle D.
Oxidants, antioxidants and alcohol: implications for skeletal and cardiac
muscle.
Front Biosci. 1999 Aug 1;4:e58-66. Review.
PMID: 10430553 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

10: Preedy VR, Reilly ME, Patel VB, Richardson PJ, Peters TJ.
Protein metabolism in alcoholism: effects on specific tissues and the whole
body.
Nutrition. 1999 Jul-Aug;15(7-8):604-8. Review.
PMID: 10422097 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

11: Pacy PJ, Preedy VR, Peters TJ, Read M, Halliday D.
The effect of chronic alcohol ingestion on whole body and muscle protein
synthesis--a stable isotope study.
Alcohol Alcohol. 1991;26(5-6):505-13.
PMID: 1804130 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
In your favor
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Alcohol Clin Exp Res. 2004 Apr;28(4):517-25.

Restoration of protein synthesis in heart and skeletal muscle after withdrawal
of alcohol.

Vary TC, Nairn AC, Lang CH.

Department of Cellular and Molecular Physiology, The Pennsylvania State
University College of Medicine, Hershey, Pennsylvania 17033, USA. tvary@psu.edu

BACKGROUND: The rate of protein synthesis is diminished after chronic alcohol
consumption through changes in both mRNA translation initiation and elongation.
It remains unknown how long adverse effects of alcohol on protein synthesis
persist after withdrawal from ethanol. METHODS: We examined the effect of
removal of alcohol from the diet of rats for 72 hr after chronic alcohol
exposure (16 weeks) on rates of protein synthesis and potential mechanisms for
controlling mRNA translation in heart, skeletal muscle, and liver. Rates of
protein synthesis were measured after intravenous infusion of
[3H]-l-phenylalanine. The formation of active eukaryotic initiation factor
(eIF)4E.eIF4G complex, the cellular content of eukaryotic elongation factor
(eEF)1A and eEF2, and the phosphorylation state of eEF2 and S6K1 were measured
in each tissue. RESULTS: Withdrawal of alcohol from the diet restored protein
synthesis in heart and skeletal muscle to values obtained in pair-fed control
rats not exposed to alcohol. However, the organ weight and protein content per
muscle was not affected by withdrawal of alcohol from the diet. In both heart
and skeletal muscle, the restoration of protein synthesis correlated with
reversal of defects in the formation of active eIF4E.eIF4G complex and eEF1A
content. Myocardial eEF2 content was also restored to control values after
withdrawal of alcohol from the diet. In the gastrocnemius, there was a decrease
in the cellular content of eEF2. The lower eIF2 content may have been
counterbalanced by an increased activity of eEF2 through a reduction in the
phosphorylation state of eEF2 allowing protein synthesis to proceed unimpeded.
CONCLUSIONS: These studies indicate that changes in protein metabolism observed
during chronic alcohol intake are reversible and do not, at this stage,
represent an irreversible change in cardiac or skeletal muscle.
 
Wow! Awesome and informative posts here for sure. I was never an alcoholic (I don't think) but I could (and did) sink 3 litres of 5% strong lager every night no problem. At one time I was drinking 2 litres of 9% lager every night and that stuff is just pure evil.
I trained at the time and got some gains but since severely cutting down I can say that the difference is chalk and cheese. Diet is easier to track, strength comes easier, sleep is better and you can get rid of bodyfat too!
I used to smoke too but I think for what we do nothing kicks it in the nuts as hard as excessive alcohol intake.
J
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