We need a good abs discussion thread, maybe even a sticky. This is a topic that is relevant to most of us, as I constantly see some new posting about abs training. Currently I've just started my 3rd cycle on HST after a 13 day SD. I'm doing the 15s now. My abs routine is 15 reps x 4 sets x 70 lbs in the bodymaster ab machine, 3 sets of 20 rep situps full up and down on the decline bench. This is same training I was doing in the 5s before the SD. I've still got love-handles and my lower back torso is carrying most of my bodyfat%. Very honestly I'm wondering if the abs shouldn't be addressed a little differently using HST. I say that, because I've not been able to do much with my abs unless I introduce a great deal more volume than my HST is calling for at the time. My ab muscles are developing. I can tighten up and press all around on my stomach area very hard and feel the muscular development. I just can't get rid of the fatty covering. LOL Appearance wise my wife still thinks I'm a fatty with a big belly, which is so far from the fact. I don't mind telling you that annoys me no end, but...that's her perception. My chest is appx. 18" bigger than my waist. LOL I'd appreciate reading some other ideas and comments from others about ab training and how you work it into your HST. I could use an infusion of some new ideas.