Ineffective calories ?

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micmic

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Is there any rhythm of ingesting food beyond which we can assume that extra calories will not increase our weight ? For example, if someone were to drink 2 kg of olive oil throughout a day can we say that all of the 18000 kcals will be used and stored by the body ? What if he drank this oil in a two hours period ? Obviously he couldn't absorb all of it... And what about other foods ? If I were to eat 10000 kcals every day for a month can I assume that the result would be more or less the same as if I had been taking 6-7000 ?

All in all, can we assume that there is a rhythm of eating (kcals / hour ?) beyond which further calories have a null effect ? Is there any way of estimating this ?
 
i think there are some initial reasons why the extra calories might be nullified if consumed within a time frame where they cannot be totally assimilated:
1)you will vomit (which is more to do with bulk rather than calories)
2)you will $hit it out before the body has time to take all nutrients.

However, if none of these happen, ie, you consume a number of calories that doesnt cause vomiting and all the nutrients can adequately be taken from the food bolus before you $hit, then i dont think the calories will be 'nullified'.
 
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Quote[/b] ]you will $hit it out before the body has time to take all nutrients.
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Is that a possibility? I thought pretty much everything ingested was DIgested.

Micmic -- I was under the impression that the greater the quantity of food eaten at one sitting the greater potential for fat storage. At any given instant, the body needs X of this, Y of that, and Z calories. If more is available than is needed, it'll get stored if it can be and pissed out if it can't be stored. That also applies to calories. So I figure 5-6 moderate meals would be much better for bulking than 3 huge ones, because the calories and protein are available for much more of the day. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

-Calkid
 
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you will $hit it out before the body has time to take all nutrients.


Is that a possibility? I thought pretty much everything ingested was DIgested.
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im not sure. my comments were purely guesses. but if you are correct, then i cannot see a logical reason why those extra calories will not be stored.
its an interesting question...although i cant imagine a real life situation where this might apply.
 
In terms of poopin it out

Excessive amounts of oils are likely to be excreted, becuase they are released into the bowel quicker, so the body cannot uprate its enzymes to digest it quick enough. I could get this problem with about 80g liquid fat per day. Solid or fats in food are slower to digest, so that would be nearly completely absorbed.
Carbohydrates can also have this problem from excessive amounts in a short time. Basically what you will end up doing is creating a hyperosmotic fluid in the bowel (heaps of CHO little water) which will draw vast quantities of water from the body to try and dilute it, basically during this process some undigested carbs will make a break for the boarder, and potentially get digested by the colonic bacteria, causing its own problems.
PRotein consumed in large excess would probably get digested, Lyle McD read a paper awhile ago(that he cant find again) that showed a limited rate of AA flux from the stomach into the bowel. So potentially huge amounts would just give a guts ache.

In the short term you would just crap yourself, in the long term your body would produce more enzymes, to adapt to the challage you are giving it.

try the carb trick, its relatively entertaining, take a large quantitiy of dextrose (the best way, probably a couple a hundred grams is a good amount) and mix it in as little water as you can possible stomach, look at getting >20g/100ml, so 200g dextrose to 1litre, or maybe even greater.
60-80g /1000ml will give an approximate iso-osmotic solution, so 200g/1000ml gives a rather hyperosmotic, or try even lower quantites of water. Should give some result :)
 
stevie,
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Quote[/b] ]However, if none of these happen, ie, you consume a number of calories that doesnt cause vomiting and all the nutrients can adequately be taken from the food bolus before you $hit, then i dont think the calories will be 'nullified'.
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Yes, obviously what doesn't get absorbed will be excreted. I was wondering when exactly do we surpass our body's ability to absorb.

Calkid,
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]I was under the impression that the greater the quantity of food eaten at one sitting the greater potential for fat storage. At any given instant, the body needs X of this, Y of that, and Z calories. If more is available than is needed, it'll get stored if it can be and pissed out if it can't be stored. That also applies to calories. So I figure 5-6 moderate meals would be much better for bulking than 3 huge ones, because the calories and protein are available for much more of the day
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I had been believing the same thing for years, now I don't. As far as fat storage is concerned, it seems that you will not get any fatter if you take all your calories in one meal than if you had taken them in 5-6 meals. Yes, you will probably store the extra food as fat, but you will burn that fat the rest of the day when no other meals will be available. It finally comes down to caloric balance.
The continuous need for protein that is still haunting bodybuilders also seems to be overestimated. Have you read Bryan's article on protein pulse feeding ?

Aaron,
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Quote[/b] ]try the carb trick, its relatively entertaining, take a large quantitiy of dextrose (the best way, probably a couple a hundred grams is a good amount) and mix it in as little water as you can possible stomach, look at getting >20g/100ml, so 200g dextrose to 1litre, or maybe even greater.
60-80g /1000ml will give an approximate iso-osmotic solution, so 200g/1000ml gives a rather hyperosmotic, or try even lower quantites of water.
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I've been taking 90gr dextrose with 30gr protein after workouts in little water (maybe 200ml) and didn't have any results... Probably the protein delays the absorption of dextrose.

What if all my calories come from solid, slow digesting foods ? Can I assume then that the body has the ability to absorb everything ? Will there be a difference between eating 1.5kg of hazelnuts (~100gr every hour) and 1kg of hazelnuts (~65gr every hour) ?
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]I've been taking 90gr dextrose with 30gr protein after workouts in little water (maybe 200ml) and didn't have any results... Probably the protein delays the absorption of dextrose.
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Possibly, or just not possibly enough of everything. Because you will be used to so the body would have adapted.
Quite a few people get this particular problem when carb loading after a keto style diet. The body just isnt prepared to take in what you are about to give it. But once it builds up readiness all is fine
 
I was certainly getting the effect on carb-ups during a PSMF.
 
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