Lean Muscle Gaining

Lance

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There are two sites that i know of that have diet plans to gain lean muscle tissue. www.ast-ss.com which suggests a 50/35/15 (sometimes 50/40/10) diet ratio. Also, www.bodybuildingworld. That is Beverly International and they suggest a 50/20/30 diet ratio. Anyways, i tried both and they work. I put on muscle and no fat. I'm 18 by the way.

I'm wondering what you guys suggest to gain lean mass with HST? It seems that none of you suggest it, but just like any other lifting program, the diet should make the difference i believe.


Lance
 
Be thankful you are 18 with a nice hormonal blast.

It is very rare that a natural lifter will gain lbm without adding some fat.

Im guessing you were also lean prior to adding the muscle, as this plays a large role in it too.

Aside from adequate protein intake, diet is just energy, carbs and fat all help, worrying endlessly about percentages is a waste of time.
 
Lance's, there's plenty of discussion on diet. Keep looking around the forums.

Meanwhile, on the site, make sure to check out Eating for Size. (Bryan's article on diet.)

As Aaron said, it's not really about ratios. It's about getting what you need. You can figure out how much protein you need, provide the essential fatty acids. . . those are required. Then, given your activity level and your goals (gaining, cutting), you fill out the rest of the day with calories for energy. A lot of those calories will come from carbs, some from fat -- some can even come from extra protein. You can refine the calories as you see whether it's all going to muscle, or if you're gaining too much fat. . . or, if you don't gain, you'll know to add even more calories. It's about providing the right amounts, and they will be little different for each person's metabolism and activity level.

Ratios are a way to analyze the results after the fact. We're trying to get the facts right in the first place. :)
 
To answer other's questions. No i wasn't allways lean. I was chunky. Not fat, but definately pudgy. No i have no clue what my body fat is.

If i stick to eating the way i have been eating, i've been putting on muscle and staying lean. Is that a problem?

Lance
 
Dear Lance,

1. Diet is a question of protein sufficiency, then calorie adequacy, depending on your goals. To gain weight, you meet your protein requirements and have an excess of calories from carbohydrates and usually, fat. To lose weight, you meet your protein requirements, and might take a little more whilst you cut overall calories by restricting carbohydrates and fat. In both instances, the componenet of weight loss is two-fold - muscle and fat. Individual biochemistry and all such normal variance will determine how much muscle and fat is gained/loss per pound of weight gained/lost. On the HST FAQ, there is a section actually discussing ratios, with protein being around 15% total calories. To be honest, my opinion of this is that it provides a theoretical framework on the biochemical effects of food. But have a read of it and see :)

2. At your age, your hormones are or should be raging. Furthermore, your gains could be beginner's gains - you will not be gaining so much so soon for all the years to come. Bearing this in mind, I hope you do not despair when the gains begin to slow down.

3. I am assuming you have an idea as to calorie intake and all such nitty gritty. Since your abs are visible, you can begin some serious bulking. All else being equal, more calories = more growth, and the combination of ample calories, a sound training program (ala HST) and sufficient rest can work wonders.

4. If I might be so bold, I beseech you, have a read of the HST principles, verify the references on PubMed. Give them some thought, a lot of thought, and compare HST with other training programs. How many out there are grounded on science as opposed to the hocus-pocus "it's seen to work in the gym, it's about the intensity" pseudo-science nonsense?

5. To answer your question - if you stick to the way you've been eating, you will eventually cease to make progress. This is because, as your body grows, you'd need more food. Don't just stick to the same diet and amount - increase calories as you go along. And if you wish, there is no need to take tons of protein. 2gm protein per pound of bodyweight already is overdoing it, and if you are in caloric excess from ample carbs and whatnot, even 1.5gm protein per pound of bodyweight is plenty. Individuals on a protein sparing modified fast take 1.5gm protein per kilo of bodyweight and this actually prevents muscle loss. Whack in a good dose of carbs (e.g. several pounds of potatoes, rice, pasta etc) into the equation and I dare say that 1.5gm protein per kg of bodyweight would suffice for growth.

Congratulations on your progress, and a very warm welcome to the realm of HST :)
 
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Quote[/b] (Lance @ Dec. 30 2003,4:25)]To answer other's questions. No i wasn't allways lean. I was chunky. Not fat, but definately pudgy. No i have no clue what my body fat is.

If i stick to eating the way i have been eating, i've been putting on muscle and staying lean. Is that a problem?
Lance
NO, that's NOT a problem!

As time goes on and you add more muscle, you may find yourself unable to add more without refocusing on your diet.

Also, as years go by, you may find yourself more prone to gain fat -- your hormonal balance is gradually shifting away from teenage "growth mode" to adult "maintenance mode."

But until you have to deal with those factors, what you're doing is obviously working. If it's working to your satisfaction, no need to change!
 
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