Joe.Muscle
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Is it good to get a lot of my protien from milk when I decide to cut?
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bgates1654
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I heard the protein from mike is very high in zinc!
I heard the protein from mike is very high in zinc!
Everyone is probabaly different. But, for what its worth, when I started this last cut, weight loss was at a stand still until I dropped milk from my diet. Then the weight started coming off again. I had been drinking quite a lot though, at least in my opinion. A glass of milk with every meal.
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<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">In childhood, we heard it: Drink a glass of milk at every meal. Now TV commercials are touting the weight-loss effects of milk and other dairy products. Can dairy actually keep weight under control? How is that even possible?
Michael Zemel, PhD, director of the Nutrition Institute at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville, has published numerous papers on this subject. He outlines his latest research in the January 2003 Journal of Nutrition, mouse studies showing the role of calcium in weight gain and fat storage.
Too many people drop dairy from their diets when they try to lose weight, he says. "They're shooting themselves in the foot when they do that. Dairy products contain literally hundreds of compounds that all have a positive effect on human health and enhance the fat-burning machinery," he explains.
Milk The Why & How
"When we cut dairy products, we send the body a signal, to make more fat," says Zemel. "When your body is deprived of calcium, it begins conserving calcium. That mechanism prompts your body to produce higher levels of a hormone called calcitriol, and that triggers an increased production of fat cells."
High levels of calcitriol "tell" fat cells to store themselves in the body, he says. This increase in calcitriol also "tells" fat cells to expand, he says. "So you're getting bigger, fatter fat cells. And a lot of big, fat cells makes for a big, fat person."
Extra calcium in your diet suppresses this hormone, he says. Your body breaks down more fat, and fat cells become leaner, trimmer. A high-dairy diet can boost weight loss by about 70%.
But wait, there's more. "It turns out that milk, cheese, and yogurt are much more effective than calcium supplements or calcium-fortified foods," Zemel says. Why? Dairy products are a complex collection of compounds. Like phytochemicals found in fruits and vegetables, there's more than vitamins and minerals in dairy products. "They are not classically nutrients, but are recognized as having beneficial effects."
Fat Calories Still Count, But Calcium Will Change Your Body Composition
Dairy isn't a weight-loss miracle, says Zemel. Calories still count. But even if you don't restrict calories, taking in more calcium will change your body composition. You're shifting calories from fat to lean body mass. "On the scales, you may not see a change. But we've seen a loss of body fat," he says.
"We need to think of milk as more than a calcium-delivery vehicle," he says. "It's more than just calcium. It's high-quality protein, a collection of amino acids that provides positive effects on skeleton, muscle, and fat."
Zemel's research holds water, says Lara Hassan, MS, a nutritionist with the Cooper Clinic in Dallas. Indeed, "studies are showing that high calcium increases fat oxidation or fat burning, and that results in greater fat loss, and weight loss if it's a reduced-calorie diet.".
She cites one study in which obese men consumed two cups of low-fat yogurt a day, and made no other changes in their diet. They lost an average of 11 pounds over the course of a year.
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Milk
According to this, calories matter. Tot is right. But, having milk as a portion of your underfeeding diet may help body composition, which is what we want, right?
Michael Zemel, PhD, director of the Nutrition Institute at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville, has published numerous papers on this subject. He outlines his latest research in the January 2003 Journal of Nutrition, mouse studies showing the role of calcium in weight gain and fat storage.
Too many people drop dairy from their diets when they try to lose weight, he says. "They're shooting themselves in the foot when they do that. Dairy products contain literally hundreds of compounds that all have a positive effect on human health and enhance the fat-burning machinery," he explains.
Milk The Why & How
"When we cut dairy products, we send the body a signal, to make more fat," says Zemel. "When your body is deprived of calcium, it begins conserving calcium. That mechanism prompts your body to produce higher levels of a hormone called calcitriol, and that triggers an increased production of fat cells."
High levels of calcitriol "tell" fat cells to store themselves in the body, he says. This increase in calcitriol also "tells" fat cells to expand, he says. "So you're getting bigger, fatter fat cells. And a lot of big, fat cells makes for a big, fat person."
Extra calcium in your diet suppresses this hormone, he says. Your body breaks down more fat, and fat cells become leaner, trimmer. A high-dairy diet can boost weight loss by about 70%.
But wait, there's more. "It turns out that milk, cheese, and yogurt are much more effective than calcium supplements or calcium-fortified foods," Zemel says. Why? Dairy products are a complex collection of compounds. Like phytochemicals found in fruits and vegetables, there's more than vitamins and minerals in dairy products. "They are not classically nutrients, but are recognized as having beneficial effects."
Fat Calories Still Count, But Calcium Will Change Your Body Composition
Dairy isn't a weight-loss miracle, says Zemel. Calories still count. But even if you don't restrict calories, taking in more calcium will change your body composition. You're shifting calories from fat to lean body mass. "On the scales, you may not see a change. But we've seen a loss of body fat," he says.
"We need to think of milk as more than a calcium-delivery vehicle," he says. "It's more than just calcium. It's high-quality protein, a collection of amino acids that provides positive effects on skeleton, muscle, and fat."
Zemel's research holds water, says Lara Hassan, MS, a nutritionist with the Cooper Clinic in Dallas. Indeed, "studies are showing that high calcium increases fat oxidation or fat burning, and that results in greater fat loss, and weight loss if it's a reduced-calorie diet.".
She cites one study in which obese men consumed two cups of low-fat yogurt a day, and made no other changes in their diet. They lost an average of 11 pounds over the course of a year.
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Milk
According to this, calories matter. Tot is right. But, having milk as a portion of your underfeeding diet may help body composition, which is what we want, right?
at the risk of starting an argument. I cannot agree with this idea. There is one thing fact that to me trumps all of this.
Cows milk is designed to serve one simple purpose. And that purpose is: "Milk is a maternal lactating secretion, a short term nutrient for new-born calves.".
It simply does not register to me that in Nature's grand plan, cows were supposed to be shot up with drugs, anti-biotics and hormones be hooked up to machines that cause them to produce milk for years and years so that we as humans could drink the milk.
I do not claim to be an expert and ANY field, and would love to hear any and all comments that you folks have.
Thks
Cows milk is designed to serve one simple purpose. And that purpose is: "Milk is a maternal lactating secretion, a short term nutrient for new-born calves.".
It simply does not register to me that in Nature's grand plan, cows were supposed to be shot up with drugs, anti-biotics and hormones be hooked up to machines that cause them to produce milk for years and years so that we as humans could drink the milk.
I do not claim to be an expert and ANY field, and would love to hear any and all comments that you folks have.
Thks
We're not on nature's exact plan. We're bodybuilders. We supplement. We cheat our genetics. We cheat the "norm". We cheat aging.
I look at guys my age and say "THANK YOU JESUS!" For putting me on this path and leading me into better ways of doing it. NOBODY believes my age when they're told.
Also, if I recall correctly, there is a certain extra use of calcium when exersizing.
I look at guys my age and say "THANK YOU JESUS!" For putting me on this path and leading me into better ways of doing it. NOBODY believes my age when they're told.
Also, if I recall correctly, there is a certain extra use of calcium when exersizing.
Just saw this thread.
Milk is a great "food" for growth. Think about it, it takes a 100lb calf and sends it well on it's way into a 1000 pound cow in a pretty short time.
For cutting? Well, that depends, are you drinking it before and after workouts where the insulin response to the carbs in it will be beneficial instead of harmful? If so, then it's great. The rest of the day? Iffy...probably won't hurt too much if it doesn't put you over your calories for the day. But there may be better choices, for example...whey, milk with all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and simple carbs removed that will assimilate quickly. Or Casein, milk with all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and simple carbs removed that lasts longer.
Milk is a great "food" for growth. Think about it, it takes a 100lb calf and sends it well on it's way into a 1000 pound cow in a pretty short time.
For cutting? Well, that depends, are you drinking it before and after workouts where the insulin response to the carbs in it will be beneficial instead of harmful? If so, then it's great. The rest of the day? Iffy...probably won't hurt too much if it doesn't put you over your calories for the day. But there may be better choices, for example...whey, milk with all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and simple carbs removed that will assimilate quickly. Or Casein, milk with all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and simple carbs removed that lasts longer.
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(vagrant @ Jan. 26 2007,15:43)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Just saw this thread.
Milk is a great "food" for growth. Think about it, it takes a 100lb calf and sends it well on it's way into a 1000 pound cow in a pretty short time.
For cutting? Well, that depends, are you drinking it before and after workouts where the insulin response to the carbs in it will be beneficial instead of harmful? If so, then it's great. The rest of the day? Iffy...probably won't hurt too much if it doesn't put you over your calories for the day. But there may be better choices, for example...whey, milk with all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and simple carbs removed that will assimilate quickly. Or Casein, milk with all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and simple carbs removed that lasts longer.</div>
Research has indicated the the calcium in three servings of milk blocks a significant amount of body fat storage. Calcium delivered in other forms is less effective or ineffective. If milk fits into your diet plan(doesn't make you go way over calorie), then it acts as a partitioning agent.
There was a report I read that showed that milk added to an already bad diet does not decrease fat gained.
To add to this discussion, grass fed cows produce milk fat higher in EFA's (about 1:1 omega3 to Omega 6 ratio) and the milk fat contains CLA too. Of course the research on the effect of CLAs on humans is not yet in, but on animals, it seems to help partition fat/muscle gain too.
(vagrant @ Jan. 26 2007,15:43)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Just saw this thread.
Milk is a great "food" for growth. Think about it, it takes a 100lb calf and sends it well on it's way into a 1000 pound cow in a pretty short time.
For cutting? Well, that depends, are you drinking it before and after workouts where the insulin response to the carbs in it will be beneficial instead of harmful? If so, then it's great. The rest of the day? Iffy...probably won't hurt too much if it doesn't put you over your calories for the day. But there may be better choices, for example...whey, milk with all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and simple carbs removed that will assimilate quickly. Or Casein, milk with all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and simple carbs removed that lasts longer.</div>
Research has indicated the the calcium in three servings of milk blocks a significant amount of body fat storage. Calcium delivered in other forms is less effective or ineffective. If milk fits into your diet plan(doesn't make you go way over calorie), then it acts as a partitioning agent.
There was a report I read that showed that milk added to an already bad diet does not decrease fat gained.
To add to this discussion, grass fed cows produce milk fat higher in EFA's (about 1:1 omega3 to Omega 6 ratio) and the milk fat contains CLA too. Of course the research on the effect of CLAs on humans is not yet in, but on animals, it seems to help partition fat/muscle gain too.
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(Runjor @ Jan. 26 2007,10:03)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Cows milk is designed to serve one simple purpose. And that purpose is: "Milk is a maternal lactating secretion, a short term nutrient for new-born calves.".</div>
Penecillin was designed to be a fungus on rotting stuff and wool was designed to keep sheep warm.
Seeing how cultures all around the world evolved utilizing animal milk makes me thing it is most likely natural that the human animal would seek out this food source.
(Runjor @ Jan. 26 2007,10:03)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Cows milk is designed to serve one simple purpose. And that purpose is: "Milk is a maternal lactating secretion, a short term nutrient for new-born calves.".</div>
Penecillin was designed to be a fungus on rotting stuff and wool was designed to keep sheep warm.
Seeing how cultures all around the world evolved utilizing animal milk makes me thing it is most likely natural that the human animal would seek out this food source.
scientific muscle
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MILK is my favorite supplement!
I like the fact that is was designed to put a ton of body mass onto a newborn calf!
It has the same effect on me, I can drink a ton of milk without feeling full, it is the best way for me to get protein and calories.
My second favorite supplement is derived from milk....Whey protein.
I like the fact that is was designed to put a ton of body mass onto a newborn calf!
It has the same effect on me, I can drink a ton of milk without feeling full, it is the best way for me to get protein and calories.
My second favorite supplement is derived from milk....Whey protein.