Hi! Just met nattyornot.com a few days ago. I read almost the entire content of it since then. There is a pile of good info there, but also a lot of bullshit. Anyway it caught my eye. The most curious parts are the analysis from the author (anonymous) about people that would supposedly be on steroids and how far a true natural BB could expect to go. In my opiniom this guy has a somewhat biased look on steroid usage since for him almost every fitness model and natural BB is actually on juice. His arguments and comparisions with 30's and 70's pro BB are interesting, but I feel that many natural trainers are actually surpassing the stats he put as "natural limits". Only to exemplify this, I can consider myself I beginner to intermediate trainer and I have gained so far around 18lbs of muscle, what theoretically makes me prone to gain another 12 lbs. My lifts are very low at the moment and I feel a enormous room for improvement. Even so I could be classified by Nattyornot as a potential drug user, since @ 5% BF I would weight around 190 lbs at 6'. I'm actually 15,5" arms at ~ 14% BF (currently on a cut) what also puts me on the limit for a natural. Second to him a natural shouldn't expect to have more than 13-16 inch arms ever. I know some guys on this forum that are way ahead of me in strength and size so they could possibly be reported as drug user according to nattyornot, although I don't think they are real users. The whole point is that "natural stats" as reported by this site are really delusional. According to him true natural trainers should expect to have bodies as Bruce Lee or Brad Pitt, maybe like Jason Statham. Don't you think this guy has a very pessimistic POV?