Nutrition Summary After Scouring This Forum

phildavies

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Spent the the entire day trying to absorb the nutrition guidelines from the HST and bodyrecomp forum...

This is my attempt at a summary (I've only tried to include conclusions drawn from posts based on emperical research). I'd really appreciate the forum's input as to how accurate or how far off the mark I am and what, if anything I could add.


1) Aim for a sensible calorie surplus (roughly 500 extra kcal/day) to bulk up and continue adjusting upwards if necessary. Target is about 1-2lbs gain per week.

2) Aim for a sensible calorie deficit (i.e. consume 10-15kcal/lb) to lose fat. Target is about 1-1.5lbs per week.

3) Aim for about 1g/lb protein consumption regardless of goal.

4) A slightly higher protein consumption and lower carb consumption may be better for cutting in some people.

5) Macronutrient ratios aren't that important for bulking.

6) After calorie and protein intake, basically eat what you like, when you like. For health (rather than body composition) reasons, you may choose to eat predominantly 'clean' whole foods to achieve your target calories. But calories is all that matters in terms of muscle gain / fat loss.

7) Eat your daily caloric intake when you like in as many or as few meals as suits your lifestyle and calorie needs.

8) The main supplements to consider are protein (whey, casein etc), creatine and EFAs.

9) If you train first thing in the AM, consume something pre-workout that contains some protein and perhaps some carbs rather than training in a fasted state.

10) Consume something post workout that contains protein and perhaps carbs and fat, especially if bulking to get those extra calories. This could be a shake straight after or it could be a meal some time after. Don't stress over a recovery window, especially if you've eaten before the workout.

11) You may want to reduce the amount of carbs in pre and post meals if cutting.

12) There may be optimum ratios of protein and carbs and optimum combinations of fast and slow proteins in pre and
post workout consumption, but even if there is, the differences will probably be negligable for most natural lifters.
 
I really like this summary.

Only possible contention is #9. I agree with number 9, but people may point out that in some cases, fasted cardio in the AM may have a benefit for fat loss but probably only when you are already quite lean and trying to get rid of stubborn fat - see Lyle's "Stubborn Fat Protocol." I personally do not believe that anyone over 8% bodyfat or so would get any benefit from this.

Also, some diet plans, such as Intermittent Fasting, may have you working out in a fasted state. A lot of guys report no problems with this. I haven't tried IF and don't really have any plans to in the future. Just not something I'm interested in, so I have no feedback on the validity of these claims.


So, basically, unless you are doing IF or are already very lean and trying to get very, very lean, I would not recommend working out in a fasted state.

Great post phil.
 
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">7) Eat your daily caloric intake when you like in as many or as few meals as suits your lifestyle and calorie needs.</div>
I like this one. I still find it funny when my buddies argue with me how there is no way I am going to gain muscle if I don't space a bunch of meals out and eat them every 90 minutes.
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Here's my own, selfish one: Every once in a while, eat whatever the heck you want!
 
It is a decent summary, but contrary to previous posters, I have more than a few comments to make in regards to the list...

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Aim for a sensible calorie deficit (i.e. consume 10-15kcal/lb) to lose fat.</div>

This should be the inverse of bulking. Simply multiplying your weight by a magic number is a bit too naive considering there are many other factors such as: your diet, metabolism/genetics, exercise regiment.

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"> Macronutrient ratios aren't that important for bulking. </div>

Protein and fat are important which leaves carbs constrained, so I would have to disagree.

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"> But calories is all that matters in terms of muscle gain / fat loss. </div>

For the most part, but you can optimize your caloric intake in other ways. You could increase the amount of Omega-3 fatty acids in your diet, eat more fruits/veggies, consume low GI complex carbs, decrease saturated fat intake, and increase protein intake for thermo genesis effect. Even alcohol can have a extra-thermodynamic effect as long as it isn't directly supplemented with fat intake during time of consumption.

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">The main supplements to consider are protein (whey, casein etc), creatine and EFAs.</div>

Yes. Also consider vitamins and minerals. The B-complex vitamins have a nice effect on creatine transport and metabolism.

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"> If you train first thing in the AM, consume something pre-workout that contains some protein and perhaps some carbs rather than training in a fasted state.</div>

No matter what time of the day it is, you shouldn't be fasting before your WO. High protein intake in and around your WO helps in muscle/protein synthesis. Carbs provide the energy. High K/Na ratio of your foods will help you in your workouts by lowering your blood pressure and the battle against cramps.

I really wasn't in too much disagreement, but I just wanted to add a couple things. I'm not a fan of fasting, so my biased opinion is evidently cited.
 
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