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Hi,

I'm bulking right now. My first ever HST cycle, bout 1/3 through. I've figured my cals for bulking are around 3200 daily.
Should I eat this on lifting days and off days(cardio) or should I eat less on cardio days?

I'm a total noob, sorry for ignorance and all that.
 
You should eat that amount everyday. You grow on your offdays. Protein synthesis actually peaks at around 24 hours, so if anything, eating more on your offday would be even more important than eating more on days you workout.

Also be aware that cardio burns calories, so if you are doing cardio during a bulk, you will probably have to eat more than you thought. Personally, I don't recommend cardio during a bulk, but some people will disagree with me on that, but if you have a hard time gaining weight, then I would recommend dropping the cardio. If you are one of those people who gains weight easily and needs to manage fat gain, then cardio during a bulk might be a good idea.
 
Let me add only one thing to the previous - very helpful post.

Most calculations give you your caloric need for your workout day, leaving you no excess.  The excess beyond your expendature is what lets you grow.  So your off day with the same amount of food gives you a few hundred extra calories - at the end of the week, if it's enough excess, you gain a pound...if not - then you don't.

Cardio - do if if you like.  But be darn sure you eat to support it.  Cardio workouts should be eaten for just like a weight workout if you hope to gain any muscle at all.  

My doc made me stop cardio because I thought I was eating enough but just kept losing and losing weight.  The combination of NO CARDIO since may and upping my calories from 2700-3000/day to 4500/day has given me a 27lb weight gain and my body fat percentage has gone down...ie - muscle and water gain is faster than fat gain because I've finally gotten my caloric intake right for my activity level for the first time.

Good luck with the bulking - it's really fun if you get it right.


OK, so that was really 4 things - sue me for it. And they weren't even original, just backing up what was already said in hopes of driving it home...eating is that important.
 
thank you for all the info.
it is helpful

right now I'm eating 3200 a day
(I weigh 156-158) and i've been gaining about a pound a week. haven't noticed any signifigant gains in size except maybe around my waist.
I've been doing 40 minutes of cardio on off days and the machine I'm using says I'm burning 340 each session.

Maybe I'll up the cals, though 3200 has been a challenge already.
 
Your calories look very close to right.  I would have suggested between 2496 to 3120. If you aren't making gains anywhere but around your middle, you may need to review your macronutrient profile.

Something along the lines of:

45% carbs, 35% protein, 20% fat.  Adjust the balance slightly here and there until you start growing in the right places.  More carbs before and after the workout, less carbs and more fat far, far away from your workout.

If you don't get enough carbs around the workout you don't get a nice insulin response.  Insulin is the most anabolic hormone there is - moreso than testosterone.  It is the real "growth hormone".  If you have a nice hyperinsulin state around your workout you will put nutrients into the muscle and grow there.  HST works perfectly for natural anabolic nutrition because of the full body workouts.  

If you create a hyperinsulin state too far away from your workout then you will also store your nutrients - in your fat cells.

An example of this - and it's only an example of what works for me, not a guide since our weight is a lot different - I'm 200lbs at 9% body fat right now.  But from it you can see how to time your foods better to get the results you want.

M1---2 cups skim milk, 2 scoops whey, 1 banana
WORKOUT
M2--2 cups skim milk, 2 scoops whey, 1 banana + 35g dextrose in koolaid + 10g creatine (immediately postworkout)
M3--2 cups skim milk, 2 scoops whey, 1 banana (1 hour post workout)
M4--1 chicken breast with kraft carbwell bbq sauce, 1 cup baked beans, 7.5 ounces whole kernel corn.(3 hours postworkout)
M5--1 chicken breast with kraft carbwell bbq sauce, 1 cup baked beans, 7.5 ounces whole kernel corn, 2 green vegetables (3 hours later)
M6---1 six ounce steak (usually a rib-eye or chuck eye (ground chuck works too and is cheaper), 1 medium plain (salt and black pepper only) baked potato, 2 green vegetables. (3 hours later)

Go to bed...unless I'm up late surfing the net.

Get up during the night and have peanut butter on 100% whole wheat...that's why I'm up posting this right now.

Since beginning this 2 months ago I've gained 27lbs and lowered my BF% from 13 o 9...that means only about a 2.5 pound fat gain on a bulker...and gaining more muscle+water than fat.  Abs are better, visible vascularity is better.  I owe it to the full body workouts and the nutrition plan, and a little TRT from the doc - just enough to raise my test to that of a normal 37 year old male instead of an 87 year old woman.

Good luck to you, now all you've got to do is to find the right nutrient profile for your body and get the timing right for your body.
 
I personally had to drop cardio midway through my cycle, cause I was actually losing weight (also wasn't eating enough), which was a shame cause I actually enjoy cardio and want to keep aerobically fit. But I wanted to do HST properly and get maximum gains. Now I've put on 3-4kgs in a few weeks, and big visible difference (in the mirror).

So eat more on off-days!
 
I read some information that suggests your caloric intake should vary by the day, not dramatically but it should vary nontheless, just keep the total weekly caloric intake the same.
 
I think this micro-management stuff is nonsense. Shut up and eat, dude!
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