Off-topic - Trump

Discussion in 'Hypertrophy-Specific Training (HST)' started by Jester, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. Jester

    Jester Well-Known Member

    For the Americans who are comfortable discussing politics.

    I have to ask, what is the appeal of someone who is so morally flawed and hateful towards so many people?

    My belief and faith in the land of the free leads me to hypothesise that if their anti-government politicians who didn’t commit degrees of sexual assault and demonise African and Latin Americans, that you’d be voting for them over him ...

    ... so, are his political positions so appealing & distinct from the status quo that his tremendous failings in moral leadership don’t outweigh those positions?

    Genuine curiosity.
  2. mickc1965

    mickc1965 Well-Known Member

    I am obviously not American but there seems to be a political shift worldwide ATM, are people just getting fed up and shifting from the centre ground either to the left or right?

    In respect of Trump according to the UK Media / Press he seems to be giving what they want in terms of America First, mind you I no longer trust the worlds media in particular our own, just listen to the bile they spouted about what would immediately happen if we dared to vote to leave, did it happen, NO. It will happen when we do actually leave I know but how severe it will be is yet to be seen.
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  3. Old and Grey

    Old and Grey Super Moderator Staff Member

    Hillary was despised, arrogant and mistrusted as the perpetrator of so many suspected crimes that Trump was simply the lessor of two evils. He wasn't particularly wanted but he was the only viable alternative. America is sick of career politicians and Trump could be a pretty good president for the economy if he could just keep his mouth shut. Unfortunately, that is not possible. Americans have also seen how lax immigration laws have endangered Europe and the Republicans are the only party who want to tighten our border and not spiral us with socialist giveaways into debt that the Chinese will scoop up and, if we continue down this path, will eventually own the USA. Just my opinion.

    PS: This was written as if it were 2016 to explain Trump's win. Today might show differing results due to his big mouth.
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  4. Jester

    Jester Well-Known Member

    Brexit is tough to analyse, especially when you look at how the demographics voted. It reveals a high-density/urban sub-nation, and then an outer-suburban(i.e. county) and rural sub-nation.

    Economically it was a stupid decision to vote to leave, but the border protection and some ancillary factors are sensible justifications in some contexts.

    It absolutely amazes me that the propaganda about a caravan is effective.

    And yeh, the anti-socialist line still rings true in your country - that much is evident. It’s puzzling to other countries in the West, because instead of social welfare ‘giveaways’, so much of your country has been taken away by corporates and lobbyists.

    Healthcare being a prime example. The best healthcare system is the one that provides the best health outcomes to the greatest number of people. Nowhere in the conversation should insurance companies be heard from - their business isn’t health, it’s profit.

    Very interesting take on the lesser of two evils. I’d be surprised if Trump or any other wealthy, maverick candidate hasn’t committed more criminal acts than a career politician - simply running the numbers for opportunities and motives. Not the kind of thing you can ever find out for sure though.
  5. mickc1965

    mickc1965 Well-Known Member


    Biggest issue for me is the fact that the EU Commission are an unelected body of bureaucrats that we cannot vote out if they get it wrong who dictate laws etc to 28 elected Governments, agreed we are better in the EU for trading but enough is enough and time to step back onto the world stage!!
  6. Jester

    Jester Well-Known Member

    Yeh, the EU is an interesting beast. Europe’s landmass fits into Australia, and fits into Africa something like 5-6 times over. In that respect, if those countries ever want to maintain global relevancy and leverage in trading terms then the block approach is necessary. Or, put another way, it’s pretty obvious why Russia spends so much time and money trying to re-fragment the EU and NATO.

    The UK understandably hasn’t quite figured out where it fits, post-Empire and post-reforms from Thatcher and Blair. Likely you need the trading benefits but as a distinct nation re: borders and enforceability of other policies and treaties.

    Maybe the aliens will hurry up and get here and make the idea of countries look stupid, sooner rather than later. It’s be faster at least ...:rolleyes:
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  7. mickc1965

    mickc1965 Well-Known Member

    Already been here and f***ed off again
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  8. Jester

    Jester Well-Known Member

    Wouldnt you if an orange dude with that hair had his hand on the nukes ... ?
  9. mickc1965

    mickc1965 Well-Known Member

  10. _Simon_

    _Simon_ Active Member

    Haha.. I know little to nothing about political stuff, but I will say this.

    Trump is an odd duck... XD
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2018 at 8:37 PM
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