Either I'm doing something terribly wrong here, or natural dieting down to a 'ripped' bf% just isn't a very viable thing unless you have great genetics (except with a cutting up regimen such as UD2, maybe, that requires insane amounts of tinkering and takes a crazy person to live through). This is the conclusion I've reached from several failed attempts at pushing down to a bf% that would be considered 'ripped' by most. Anyway, long story short, I started this current cutter I'm on at around 15% BF and at a bodyweight of 185 lbs. I did as Bryan Haycock suggested, eating at least at maintenance during my 15s and slowly increasing the amount of cardio I was doing till I reached the maximum amount I was going to stick with throughout the entire cutter. Well, I shredded some fat at first, but then the process slowed down considerably. I thought I'd change things up a little, and started doing twice a day full body workouts, as per the standard HST layout, except I'm doing a 15s workout in the evening in stead of two 10s or 6s, with one set per exercise in both workouts. This, as I've read on the forums, is supposed to give you a great boost to your fat burning. I'm also still doing 3x a week of moderate intensity cardio on my off days for 30 minutes. Now, if you're still reading, I applaud you. This is when things have started to turn tough. It's like I've lost at least a little fat everywhere on my body, but not a single gram has come off from the spare tire area beneath the upper set of my pecs all around to the sides and back. I'm doing very high frequency weight lifting combined with cardio, low carbs, and 2300 calories, and I'm not losing fat AT ALL any more. Hell, I'm starting to feel like I'm actually gaining back some of the fat I lost during the beginning of my cutter, even though I was eating more and exercising less back then. What the #### is going on here, if you'll excuse my language!? I'm so sick and tired of doing everything humanly possible to get rid of that goddamed spare tire, and it's not coming off. I'm also hanging on a very delicate thread between overtraining and coping with the amount of physical strain I'm putting myself through, so if someone wants to suggest I lower my calories even further, they can keep it to themselves. Common logic would dictate that my metabolism has slowed down. However, I was specifically told NOT to do refeeds, as they are supposed to be of no use until at a very low bodyfat level. I'm starting to question that logic, as I did another cutter back in the fall and lost fat better than I have now (but still not as well as I would have hoped), doing less cardio and only 1 HST session a day three times a week, AND a once a week refeed with insane high calories. Besides, I recall hearing of a study that demonstrated your leptin levels will be significantly elevated after a couple of days of refeeding. It contradicts what I have been told here, unless whoever told me that meant that refeeds aren't necessary until later in the diet once your metabolism starts slowing down, regardless of how much bodyfat you may have lost. Anyway, comments are welcome, especially regarding the necessity of refeeds. I'm in no mood for any wise @$$ remarks, though, so don't get in my face about how I should lower my calories down to 1500, and how much of a noob idiot I am. I'm doing everything by the book here, mostly following the guidelines I have read at this site, so if you want to claim I'm doing things wrong, you're shooting down the information they present here as the irrefutable and absolute truth. Again, you must excuse my aggression; I'm just so pissed off right now.