Tribulus and other testosterone raising

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Rulh

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Some months ago I started taking tribulus. Within several days my strength went up, including sex drive and energy levels. I then started taking wild yam and fenugreek. Within several weeks I gained 5 kg. It must have been muscle because I noticed no fat gain. I have kept the 5kg extra muscle for several months now. I recommend these supplements, especially tribulus, which is the most worthwhile for your money. Why do people say tribulus is a waste of money if it did this to me?

I have a question. If I took 10 times as much of these supplements, would I gain 50kg of muscle?
 
Placebo? You were working much harder cos you thought you _could_ and therefore did.

Thats just an idea based of the "trib is rubbish" notion. I havent a clue because I've never used it and haven't read studies. I'll take your word for it.

As far as using 10x, you're body can only grow at a maximum rate. Its not a constant line to infinity. So no, pretty much impossible to gain 50kg in a few weeks unless you were hit with a burst of gamma radiation and started turning green
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Question: you say you've kept the weight you gained. Have you also kept up with the trib and herbals? It would be interesting to see what happens if you are still on it and come off.
 
I was under the impression that wild yam was for estrogen, not testosterone.

Anyway, the reason people say trib is a waste of money is because studies prove that trib is a waste of money. If you don't believe me, then go to pubmed and search "tribulus testosterone" and you'll find a ton of studies.
Your 5 kg of weight gain is a good gain, but nothing amazing. Your strength gains were due to your own hard work, so place the credit where it is due. Obviously you had your training and diet dialed in well, so good work.

But hey, if taking trib makes you feel like you are doing better, then go ahead and keep doing it.
 
I say trib is junk because I'm a cynic and tried 3 different trib products. If it had done anything at all, I would admit it (I'm also a Christian). It may work for some people though, as one study I'd seen said it raised test subjects levels a few points.

To build muscle, cut fat, and gain energy, libido and drive, I believe you need a prescription, not a few points of ng/dl. I hope to have that soon. It isn't cheap, but how much have I wasted on a slew of GH "releasers"? My one month little stint with prohormones did work, but I lost the beef when I got off cycle.
 
As far as I know, trib doesn't not directly stimulate T, it stimulates a hormone called LH, which in turn stimulates T, but only indirectly. Apparently trib will work for people with low test, only up to a "normal" level, so it won't work for people who already have a normal level.

Placaebo effect is one explanation, you having the right factors to respond is another explanation, best to get your T levels tested, if its normal off the Trib then I dare say its just placaebo.
 
Peak, love ya bro, but I have to disagree in my case. I HAVE low test and it (trib) didn't work for me! That's the reason I'm going for the HRT. All the guys I've talked to on it swear they feel like they're in their 20's again. I'm tired of feeling like 80...
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I get tested again next monday.
 
I tried trib for a while and didnt notice anything. I did notice a difference with ZMA however, but I use it for the effects it has on sleep more than anything else.
 
tribulus and calforsin do have a vasodilation effect. They don't affect test levels whatsoever, this has been proven over and over again.

So why are we more sexual while on these suppliments? Why do we seem to do better in the gym? Why do we seem to get better muscle gains?

Simple, vasodilation means more blood flow (think better erections and libido - that's why people think it increases test). More blood flow means more nutrients being carried around the body. Hmmm, more bloodborne nutrients to the muscles - is this a good thing? Sure it is.

So did you get better workouts from trib? Probably. Did it increase your test? Nope. If you made more muscle from use - who cares what the mechanism is...keep using it. If you are a non-responder - don't waste your money because it won't get better.
 
Vasodialators like NO Explode and other products containing argnine don't help muscle growth, so I don't see why trib would be able to accomplish muscle growth through that effect. You may as well just do a high rep set after all your work sets are done, it would be accomplishing pretty much the same thing.
Seriously, how many guys have you heard of who got huge off of viagra or cialis?
 
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(Rulh @ Oct. 05 2006,02:35)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I have a question.  If I took 10 times as much of these supplements, would I gain 50kg of muscle?</div>
You don't want to take 10x the dosage of Trib...see the results of the sheep study below.  I also included a quote about the results of one study on Trib and weightlifters.

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">In one of the few well-controlled studies to examine the effects of tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance looked at 15 resistance-trained males. Subjects received either a placebo or a large dose of tribulus (1.5mg per pound of body weight per day for 2 months). Results showed no changes in body weight, percentage fat, total muscle mass or muscle strength related to tribulus supplementation.

Safety:
Although no significant side effects should be expected at doses of tribulus contained in commercial dietary supplements, animal studies have suggested the possibility of locomotor (muscle coordination) disturbances following ingestion of tribulus in high quantities. In sheep consuming tribulus plant for several months, neurological disease was characterized by an irreversible, asymmetrical, weakness of the hindlimbs.
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(Totentanz @ Oct. 07 2006,09:52)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">how many guys have you heard of who got huge off of viagra or cialis?</div>
Does flacid being the same size as erect used to be and erect being almost 25% longer and thicker count as huge?

If so, then yes. If not, then no. Due to my health conditions, my doc sees me nekkid about once a week. She did warn me that my new &quot;gains&quot; would go away after a couple of months though if I stop using the cialis. Muscles that get gains don't go away if you keep working them though.

If you get more muscle from tribulus, test supplimentation, vitamin C, or eating blueberries - who cares, enjoy it and work it hard so it keeps growing.

Personally, I feel that most suppliments are a waste of money. I just use protein, creatine, dextrose, chicken, fish, vegetables, more chicken, more fish, more vegetables... However, if someone tries one and makes gains from it - even if it's from placebo effect, and there's no denying the value of placebo effect - if your mind believes something is working - it will work to some extent...the gains are still there, they are still real, and they are good to have.
 
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(Rulh @ Oct. 05 2006,02:35)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Some months ago I started taking tribulus.  Within several days my strength went up, including sex drive and energy levels.  I then started taking wild yam and fenugreek.  Within several weeks I gained 5 kg.  It must have been muscle because I noticed no fat gain.  I have kept the 5kg extra muscle for several months now.  I recommend these supplements, especially tribulus, which is the most worthwhile for your money.  Why do people say tribulus is a waste of money if it did this to me?

I have a question.  If I took 10 times as much of these supplements, would I gain 50kg of muscle?</div>
They are all nearly rubbish and do not work.


Lets take tribulus one study shows an increase in lh which was done by a manufacturer. Even this study showed a correspondin increase in oestrogen.
&quot;But my sexdrive is good&quot; Tribulus constituents have dopinergic activity which is responsible for neurotransmission in regulation of sex drive not by modulating horomones.

Wild yam is a brilliant example of a myth. Firstly its for women for natural hrt it is meant to contain a progesterone so why you decided to take it is questionable unless you believed the progesteron could convert to testosterone. But it doesnt matter as it doesnt work.

Wild yam contains diosgenin a steroidal structure which is extracted and used to make hormones -progesterone. Now this is used in hrt. However this is only possible on a synthetc route as we do not have the natural machinery/enzymes to carry out such a procedure and diosgenin has no intrinsic horrmonal activity so is useless.
 
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(quadancer @ Oct. 06 2006,08:55)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Peak, love ya bro, but I have to disagree in my case. I HAVE low test and it (trib)  didn't work for me!</div>
I thought it was you who said it worked for some people!!

Haha well I guess not then...

Edit: I just read through the post on taking steriods with HST, where I said I heard trib might work for people with low T and Quad said it doesn't work whatever. Don't know where I got the idea where you said it worked for some people, maybe you said it in another post?
 
&quot;Worked&quot; doesn't necessarily mean hormonally, because as Tot said &quot;But hey, if taking trib makes you feel like you are doing better, then go ahead and keep doing it. &quot;
There's a lot to be said for placebo effect, mind over matter and all that. I believe trib doesn't work because a.) it didn't for me b.) everyone I've asked got no results and c.) 'Testimonials' and 'studies' on the web are often made up junk; not realworld testaments. I've emailed a few companies who claim &quot;scientific studies prove...&quot; for the 'studies' and it's funny how none of them have ever sent me one. Usually it's just an email answer with more claims for their product. So I assume there are no studies for these, since they won't send me any. Here's an example: 3,6,17 Androstenetrione. I asked for the 'studies' and they sent me a mail saying that it is the same stuff as 6-oxy, only 500% more active ingredient in it, so I should buy some today because theirs works so well. But no study.
But if you believe something is making you stronger, then you probably will be. But how do we know who's in placebo effect (most bb'ers on supps?...I think so) and who is actually getting results? See post #14 by Maxgain.
 
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