Your Thoughts: Beer Causes Moobs And Steals Our Gains

Discussion in 'Hypertrophy-Specific Training (HST)' started by adpowah, Jul 17, 2015.

  1. adpowah

    adpowah Active Member


    One of the news channels I follow had a piece about how beer can give you moobs because the hops contains phytoestrogen. I have noticed when I partake daily that after a few weeks it appears to have this affect on me. I had always figured it was just the extra calories.

    I googled around to see if I could find anything about the affects of phytoestrogen on resistance training and I didn't see much.

    Anyways I thought this might spur some discussion. What are your thoughts?
     
  2. Old and Grey

    Old and Grey Super Moderator Staff Member

    I did not watch the video but do recall that your body eventually breaks alcohol down into acetate and fat. The body burns the acetate for energy first and the fat is stored for use later unless you are in a caloric surplus in which case it will be stored somewhere on your body in the form of fat. Excessive alcohol use also can lower testosterone and raise cortisol and estrogen levels. Not a good thing for bodybuilders. As for moobs, I have seen them on prepubescent males that do not drink but do tend to have a crappy diet. The solution? Probably as simple as limiting your intake of simple carbs and bad fats and make sure you have normal hormonal levels and include the content of alcohol in your dietary intake calculations. But don't overdue it frequently. TGIF. Cheers! o_O
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2015
  3. Totentanz

    Totentanz Super Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not really sold on the impact of dietary phytoestrogens on the male body. I accept that this may be dependent on those men who already have some amount of gyno from puberty, who would be especially sensitive to estrogen. My question about this would be do you feel like the actual gland inside is tender and swollen? Or are you just getting increased fat storage in the chest area? For the most part, your fat storage patterns are based on your genetics, through your natural hormone levels, so it is conceivable that an increase in estrogen levels could lead to a slightly more feminine fat storage pattern. So if you are simply experiencing more fat storage in that area and not actual gyno, then I can possibly see this happening but I do think it is definitely unlikely to be occurring.

    Based on my own experience, I've eaten a lot of soy at one a few points in the past and I've had periods where I regularly drank beer and never grew titties. It might be worth noting that I've never really gotten too high on the bodyfat percentage scale though in comparison to the average male, so perhaps that has some bearing on my anecdote. Clearly you will find more aromatization in men with higher amounts of adipose tissue, so that could have an impact on all of this as well.
    However, over the past 8 years or so of experimentation, I find that when I partake in alcohol (beer and mead primarily, sometimes wine and very occasionally hard liquor) that I actually tend to drop weight rather than store any additional fat. I have used beer during refeeds in the past when doing RFL style diets with some surprising results, in that it seems to trigger a whoosh effect when drinking it at the end of a carb load. But no boob growth at all.

    I don't think occasional beer intake will cause you to grow boobs and I've never seen this happen in people unless they were packing in calories. If you are controlling calories and only drinking in moderation, it really shouldn't be an issue. Obviously in your example, you were talking about daily intake for a few weeks straight. I'm not really sure that is long enough for altered estrogen levels to have such a pronounced effect though who knows. I know a trans women who started estrogen and spiro quite some time ago and she didn't notice anything really dramatic in that area for at least a month. Granted she was not on higher calories, but hormone therapy for transitioning is without a doubt a much larger change to estrogen levels than simply drinking beer each day for a few weeks.
     

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