virtualcyber
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I have heard that it is good for pushing glycogen
into muscle cells. Does anyone know if it can be
verified?
Anyone know about ALA?
into muscle cells. Does anyone know if it can be
verified?
Anyone know about ALA?
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Alpha Lipoic acid (ALA)
- Thread starter virtualcyber
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I don't know much about ALA myself, although I remember seeing this news item about research involving acetyl-L-carnitine and ALA. Pretty remarkable stuff.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1827000/1827008.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1827000/1827008.stm
virtualcyber
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I just read the article -- really interesting.
What I read was that, first it is good for liver.
Second, during ketogenic diet, when you are taking carbs
during refeeds, you should take ALA with carbs --
ALA promotes movement of glycogen into muscles
and thus suppresses lipogenesis. I have read
about people getting into hypoglycemia
due to the effects of ALA (3 gm / day). [maybe it is
just a b.s.]
What I read was that, first it is good for liver.
Second, during ketogenic diet, when you are taking carbs
during refeeds, you should take ALA with carbs --
ALA promotes movement of glycogen into muscles
and thus suppresses lipogenesis. I have read
about people getting into hypoglycemia
due to the effects of ALA (3 gm / day). [maybe it is
just a b.s.]
Hey, I was curious enough to do some poking around. (My bro's on a ketogenic diet -- working wonders -- and ALA may be of value to him, too.)
Anyway, here's an article by Bryan himself on ALA and other insulin mimickers and sensitizers. Pretty interesting. And it provides a little guidance regarding proper dosing (the marginal benefits of ALA seem to diminish at doses above 600mg).
http://musclemonthly.com/article....ork.htm
Anyway, here's an article by Bryan himself on ALA and other insulin mimickers and sensitizers. Pretty interesting. And it provides a little guidance regarding proper dosing (the marginal benefits of ALA seem to diminish at doses above 600mg).
http://musclemonthly.com/article....ork.htm
virtualcyber
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Thanks for the article.
I have heard of people who have been taking at
dosage close to 6g during CKD diet. What these people
do is take 1.5 g of ALA with carb intake; the effect is to
push _all_ carb into muscle, resulting in muscle "pump."
These folks are saying that because all carbs are
foced into muscle (when supplemented by ALA), their
ketosis does not terminate. ALL carbs they take do not
go to fat cells -- it just goes directly to muscle.
I have seen so many posts touting the "cutting
effect" of ALA, that I'd think there must be more to ALA
than placebo effect.
I have heard of people who have been taking at
dosage close to 6g during CKD diet. What these people
do is take 1.5 g of ALA with carb intake; the effect is to
push _all_ carb into muscle, resulting in muscle "pump."
These folks are saying that because all carbs are
foced into muscle (when supplemented by ALA), their
ketosis does not terminate. ALL carbs they take do not
go to fat cells -- it just goes directly to muscle.
I have seen so many posts touting the "cutting
effect" of ALA, that I'd think there must be more to ALA
than placebo effect.
I have followed Haycock's advice for several months taking 600mg of Nutriteam's ALA a day. I can't say I really feel or see a difference. I would like to double the dose without changing any other parameters. Has anyone tried this with anecdotal evidence that there is a marginal advantage of 1200 mg - 3000 mg?
virtualcyber
New Member
I have not tried it, but from what I read, the
consensus seems to be that 3 g / day is the
minimum effective amount. (BTW,
30 g in one sitting is the lethal amount).
The requirements for taking ALA are:
(1) that you are in ketosis (ketostix is a must, they say)
(2) you take it _just_ before carb,
800-1200 mg,
so that ALA sits just below the meal inside
you stomach.
According to ALA "gurus", you must take ALA
as outlined above, or it will not work well. They say don't
take the above dose with too littlte carb in the morning,
or you will go into hypoglycemia (because ALA moves
almost all glycogen into muscle).
consensus seems to be that 3 g / day is the
minimum effective amount. (BTW,
30 g in one sitting is the lethal amount).
The requirements for taking ALA are:
(1) that you are in ketosis (ketostix is a must, they say)
(2) you take it _just_ before carb,
800-1200 mg,
so that ALA sits just below the meal inside
you stomach.
According to ALA "gurus", you must take ALA
as outlined above, or it will not work well. They say don't
take the above dose with too littlte carb in the morning,
or you will go into hypoglycemia (because ALA moves
almost all glycogen into muscle).
virtualcyber
New Member
One last thing -- if you are in ketosis,
ALA is taken during weekends when one is carb loading.
So, during week days, there is no need for ALA (as
no carbs are ingested).
ALA is taken during weekends when one is carb loading.
So, during week days, there is no need for ALA (as
no carbs are ingested).
Aren't you guys forgetting ALAs great anti-oxidant traits ? It's supposed to protect other anti-oxidants and thus make them work better.
As far as I'm concerned, and I've been using ALA both to keto diets and just as an "anti-oxidant helper" is that it's besically worthless if you compare effects to price. Go ahead and try yourself, though - if you can afford the dosages needed to have a noticeable effect.
As far as I'm concerned, and I've been using ALA both to keto diets and just as an "anti-oxidant helper" is that it's besically worthless if you compare effects to price. Go ahead and try yourself, though - if you can afford the dosages needed to have a noticeable effect.
virtualcyber
New Member
http://www.anabolical.com
for cheap ALA. About $30 per 50 g = (100 capsules of
500 mg).
Disclaimer: I don't work for that company, and I do not
sell ALA. And I probably won't take them until I am doing
keto diet.
for cheap ALA. About $30 per 50 g = (100 capsules of
500 mg).
Disclaimer: I don't work for that company, and I do not
sell ALA. And I probably won't take them until I am doing
keto diet.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (virtualcyber @ May 29 2002,09:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have not tried it, but from what I read, the
consensus seems to be that 3 g / day is the
minimum effective amount. (BTW,
30 g in one sitting is the lethal amount).
The requirements for taking ALA are:
(1) that you are in ketosis (ketostix is a must, they say)
(2) you take it _just_ before carb,
800-1200 mg,
so that ALA sits just below the meal inside
you stomach.
According to ALA "gurus", you must take ALA
as outlined above, or it will not work well. They say don't
take the above dose with too littlte carb in the morning,
or you will go into hypoglycemia (because ALA moves
almost all glycogen into muscle).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This is what I've found through my searches. During my next 'bulking' cycle I will be experimenting with around 1 gram per carb meal. Though there is no scientific evidence to validate this, emperically speaking it seems to work wonders. Especially in those that are using anabolic steriods.
consensus seems to be that 3 g / day is the
minimum effective amount. (BTW,
30 g in one sitting is the lethal amount).
The requirements for taking ALA are:
(1) that you are in ketosis (ketostix is a must, they say)
(2) you take it _just_ before carb,
800-1200 mg,
so that ALA sits just below the meal inside
you stomach.
According to ALA "gurus", you must take ALA
as outlined above, or it will not work well. They say don't
take the above dose with too littlte carb in the morning,
or you will go into hypoglycemia (because ALA moves
almost all glycogen into muscle).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
This is what I've found through my searches. During my next 'bulking' cycle I will be experimenting with around 1 gram per carb meal. Though there is no scientific evidence to validate this, emperically speaking it seems to work wonders. Especially in those that are using anabolic steriods.
virtualcyber
New Member
Let us know how it goes ... stats and dosage of ALA.