long term side effects of creatine?

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Just wondering if any has any scientific studies with any long term side effects of creatine! I'm curious because I have been debating whether to take it or not. I have read the FAQ about creatine but I still need some questions to be narrowed down for me, even though this board is probably sick of hearing about this supplement.

Due to the water retention in the muscles from the use of creatine, how much growth is expected from using it compared to when not using it, and how much of the water will you loose when you stop using. I just hear some people say it made me look the freakin marshmallow man, or I was a blimp, and then there is always people with good things to say about it, so whats the truth?

I think one of the things that makes me decide if I should use it or not is the whole water retention thing, even though it's not too big of a deal because the positive factors are making me want to buy it. For example, I read that article in the HST article section about the 12 wk traing program with radom people chosen to use it and some who didn't. They had like double the results, which is very impressive, now it seems like it would be worth buying.
 
I debated the same issue about a month ago and decided to start taking Creatine.
I can tell you I didn't experience any negative effects.
On the up side, there are 2 effecs which are very noticable :
-I look bigger ;)
-I have much more strength. My weights are up in every exercise.
I can actually feel it working during the last reps. You simply feel that you have more strength and can push your self more. This , in turn, leads to an increase in weights which leads to hypertrophy, etc...
I highly recommend you take it.
 
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Quote[/b] (guyben @ Oct. 25 2003,5:18)]I debated the same issue about a month ago and decided to start taking Creatine.
I can tell you I didn't experience any negative effects.
On the up side, there are 2 effecs which are very noticable :
-I look bigger ;)
-I have much more strength. My weights are up in every exercise.
I can actually feel it working during the last reps. You simply feel that you have more strength and can push your self more. This , in turn, leads to an increase in weights which leads to hypertrophy, etc...
I highly recommend you take it.
:D Seems tempting when ya put it like that!
 
Hey guys, here is an article from the HS:Report #6. It gives a pretty good list of research looking at creatine's safety record.

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Long Term Creatine Use
Is creatine safe?


Title: Effects of Long-term Creatine Supplementation on Liver and Kidney Functions in American College Football Players.

Researchers: Mayhew DL, Mayhew JL, Ware JS

Institution: Exercise Science Program at Truman State University, Kirksville, MO 63501 and the Athletic Department at Truman State University, Kirksville, MO.

Source: Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2002 Dec;12(4):453-60

Summary: The purpose of this study was to determine the effect of long-term Cr supplementation on blood parameters reflecting liver and kidney function.

Methods: Twenty-three members of an NCAA Division II American football team (ages = 19-24 years) with at least 2 years of strength training experience were divided into a
Cr monohydrate group (CrM, n = 10) in which they voluntarily and spontaneously ingested creatine, and a control group (n = 13) in which they took no supplements. Individuals in the CrM group averaged regular daily consumption of 5 to 20g for 0.25 to 5.6 years. Venous blood analysis for serum albumin, alkaline phosphatase, alanine aminotransferase, aspartate aminotransferase, bilirubin, urea, and creatinine produced no significant differences between groups.

Results: Creatinine clearance was estimated from serum creatinine and was not significantly different between groups. Within the CrM group, correlations between all blood parameters and either daily dosage or duration of supplementation were nonsignificant.

Conclusion: Oral supplementation with CrM has no long-term detrimental effects on kidney or liver functions in highly trained college athletes in the absence of other nutritional supplements.

Discussion: Questions about creatine’s safety are probably the most frequently brought up by people who don’t like (and usually don’t understand) supplements. This study by Mayhew and colleagues is a welcome addition to the already growing body of creatine safety research. (1,2,3,4,5,6,7)

Most questions revolve around the effects of creatine supplementation on the liver and kidney. These are the two organs are involved in “processing” creatine once it is ingested. The Liver breaks it down and the kidneys excrete it. From this study, and others before it, we see that long term supplementation with creatine in doses usually taken by bodybuilders (5-20 grams) for extended periods of time do not lead to dysfunction of either organ, nor does it cause abnormalities in the indicators of liver and kidney function.

Considering that fact that creatine supplementation has been shown to enhance anaerobic exercise performance by increasing power output (8), muscular strength and work (9,10,11), and muscle fiber size (12), and to top it off, safe even with long term supplementation, its no wonder this is one of my first tier recommendation for effective and safe supplements for putting on muscle size.



Additional References:
1: Poortmans JR, Auquier H, Renaut V, Durussel A, Saugy M, Brisson GR. Effect of short-term creatine supplementation on renal responses in men. Eur J Appl Physiol Occup Physiol. 1997;76(6):566-7.

2: Poortmans JR, Francaux M. Long-term oral creatine supplementation does not impair renal function in healthy athletes. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1999 Aug;31(8):1108-10.

3: Terjung RL, Clarkson P, Eichner ER, Greenhaff PL, Hespel PJ, Israel RG, Kraemer WJ, Meyer RA, Spriet LL, Tarnopolsky MA, Wagenmakers AJ, Williams MH. American College of Sports Medicine roundtable. The physiological and health effects of oral creatine supplementation. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000 Mar;32(3):706-17.

4: Robinson TM, Sewell DA, Casey A, Steenge G, Greenhaff PL. Dietary creatine supplementation does not affect some haematological indices, or indices of muscle damage and hepatic and renal function. Br J Sports Med. 2000 Aug;34(4):284-8.

5: Poortmans JR, Francaux M. Adverse effects of creatine supplementation: fact or fiction? Sports Med. 2000 Sep;30(3):155-70.

6: Schilling BK, Stone MH, Utter A, Kearney JT, Johnson M, Coglianese R, Smith L, O'Bryant HS, Fry AC, Starks M, Keith R, Stone ME. Creatine supplementation and health variables: a retrospective study. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2001 Feb;33(2):183-8.

7: Benzi G, Ceci A. Creatine as nutritional supplementation and medicinal product. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2001 Mar;41(1):1-10.

8: Earnest CP, Snell PG, Rodriguez R, Almada AL and Mitchell TL (1995) The effect of creatine monohydrate ingestion on anaerobic power indices, muscular strength and body composition. Acta Physiol Scand 153: 207-209

9: Casey A, Constantin-Teodosiu D, Howell S, Hultman E and Greenhaff PL (1996) Creatine ingestion favorably affects performance and muscle metabolism during maximal exercise in humans. Am J Physiol 271: E31-E37

10: Vandenberghe K, Goris M, Van Hecke P, Van Leemputte M, Vangerven L and Hespel P (1997) Long-term creatine intake is beneficial to muscle performance during resistance training. J Appl Physiol 83: 2055-2063

11: Volek JS, Duncan ND, Mazzetti SA, Staron RS, Putukian M, Gomez AL, Pearson DR, Fink WJ and Kraemer WJ (1999) Performance and muscle fiber adaptations to creatine supplementation and heavy resistance training. Med Sci Sports Exerc 31: 1147-1156

12: Volek JS, Duncan ND, Mazzetti SA, Staron RS, Putukian M, Gomez AL, Pearson DR, Fink WJ and Kraemer WJ (1999) Performance and muscle fiber adaptations to creatine supplementation and heavy resistance training. Med Sci Sports Exerc 31: 1147-1156


Update references:
1: Tarnopolsky MA, Bourgeois JM, Snow R, Keys S, Roy BD, Kwiecien JM, Turnbull J. Histological assessment of intermediate- and long-term creatine monohydrate
supplementation in mice and rats. Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol. 2003 Oct;285(4):R762-9.

2: Kreider RB, Melton C, Rasmussen CJ, Greenwood M, Lancaster S, Cantler EC, Milnor P, Almada AL. Long-term creatine supplementation does not significantly affect clinical
markers of health in athletes. Mol Cell Biochem. 2003 Feb;244(1-2):95-104.
 
Thanks for replying Brian. That was exactly what kind of information I was looking for! Well, all I can say is that I think I will be buying a bottle or two of your creatine soon :D, it seems like great stuff and all the research I have done about creatine seems to be pretty postitive.

Oh yeah! How was the Mr. Olympia contest.
 
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