Insane_Man
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Any scientific opinions on it?
I've read quite a bit about it lately after asking about here, as a matter of fact. I'd reccomend staying away from it. No ard science exists concerning its use. Lots of people have reported good gains. Some have also reported side effects that can get pretty severe, including gyno which is odd since 1T doesn't convert to estrogen. Quite a few reports of that though, and while we can't honestly tell what else these people were using if anything, and assuming they're telling the truth, I'd take that as a warning to stay away.[b said:Quote[/b] (Insane_Man @ Jan. 27 2004,8:39)]Any scientific opinions on it?
At this age you probably shouldn't be using steroids or prohormones. They're not hysterically bad like many think, but if you're not yet fully developed/matured physically they can screw with your future development.[b said:Quote[/b] (Lance @ April 17 2004,12:47)]I'm 18, this is my first HST cycle and also my first time bulking, so that could be a big reason.
I'm glad to hear that, I've heard that is an effective stack. I was thinking of trying M1T myself but ever since I've heard of gyno complaints I've put the idea on the back burner.[b said:Quote[/b] (Lance @ April 18 2004,2:04)]And BTW, with the M1T/4-AD stack i had no side effects. I may have had lethargy but i'm not sure if it's that or because i was just staying out alot and doing alot of work in the backyard ... besides that though there was no acne, testicular atrophy, or anything else.
This is the most disturbing post I've ever read on HST. And that includes the penis enlargement stuff.[b said:Quote[/b] (Lance @ April 17 2004,12:47)]Well ... i'm about to finish my M1T cycle in 2 days. I was just using it for 2 weeks during my last week of 10's and first week of 5's, just as the HST FAQ suggests.
I don't know my overall gains from the M1T alone, but from this HST cycle so far i've gained 15lbs. I'm 18, this is my first HST cycle and also my first time bulking, so that could be a big reason.
I don't know what to say. I did it for 2 weeks and will do it for another 2 weeks during my next HST cycle and that's it. I just wanted to try it once while it was legal. And that's how much 1 bottle gave me. I'm not going to defend myself, it's everyone to their own decision, and mine was just to try once for a short period.[b said:Quote[/b] (Jon Stark @ April 19 2004,12:04)]This is the most disturbing post I've ever read on HST. And that includes the penis enlargement stuff.[b said:Quote[/b] (Lance @ April 17 2004,12:47)]Well ... i'm about to finish my M1T cycle in 2 days. I was just using it for 2 weeks during my last week of 10's and first week of 5's, just as the HST FAQ suggests.
I don't know my overall gains from the M1T alone, but from this HST cycle so far i've gained 15lbs. I'm 18, this is my first HST cycle and also my first time bulking, so that could be a big reason.
I doubt the HST AAS FAQ was written with 18 year olds in mind.
Sorry to sound like a broken record. I'm sure you've heard about premature closure of growth plates (and just because you are 18 does not necessarily mean you are done growing). I've seen some things about steroids screwing up neurological development as well (http://www.nupr.neu.edu/11-03/steroids.html).
Do what you want. You will anyway no matter what anyone says. But I just don't want anyone to happen across the board and read your account and not see someone stepping up and at least trying to tell you that you are way too young to be using steroids. (Not to mention it's stories like this that give ammo to those who would ban the use of PHs and steroids to everyone.)
From what I've read most people use Nolva or 6 Oxo for post cycle therapy after a cycle of M1T. I wouldn't use 6 Oxo myself, because I once did a cycle of 1AD and it wasn't until post cycle, when I started taking the 6 Oxo that I started to feel off. Lethargic and itchy nipples specifically. Once I ditched the 6 Oxo I was fine. Weird, but that's what happened. Reactions to 1 test seem to be very variable, in methylated as well as other forms.[b said:Quote[/b] (Insane_Man @ April 19 2004,12:39)]I'm just curious, what are you guys doing for post-cycle?
You're not necessarily wrong in your thinking, but from everything I've read and heard this can be some pretty rough stuff to be on. Better to use PCT no matter what, just to be sure in my opinion, even though it might not be totally necessary. Besides, Nolva isn't expensive so you've got nothing to lose but 20 or 30 bucks US.[b said:Quote[/b] (ejones @ April 19 2004,4:56)]is pct really necessary after only a 2 week cycle? if you haven't gone past that ~14 day mark you won't be completely shut down and especially since this is an oral steroid there will be periods in the day when it's out of your system and your body will have to produce some test.
But you do realise that some of the side effects can be of permanent nature for a teenager like you?[b said:Quote[/b] (Lance @ April 19 2004,7:28)]I'm not going to defend myself, it's everyone to their own decision, and mine was just to try once for a short period.
Exactly. It's a not a criticism of you for using the stuff in general, I think people are way too hysterical about these things and that they can be used safely. Thing is at your age is when they do have the potential to cause serious side effects even with what one would consider proper use. As someone who is a bit older I'll tell you that even though I got through my youthful messing around with drugs of all types with no ill effects, I'd still change most of those decisions if I had the chance now. In retrospect the risks were not worth the rewards, even in the short term. And I sure as hell didn't have the perspective I needed back then to make good decisions most of the time.[b said:Quote[/b] (restless @ April 24 2004,7:54)]But you do realise that some of the side effects can be of permanent nature for a teenager like you?[b said:Quote[/b] (Lance @ April 19 2004,7:28)]I'm not going to defend myself, it's everyone to their own decision, and mine was just to try once for a short period.