<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Didn't catch that in the rules.</div> Just because they aren't in the rules, doesn't mean they aren't a requirement. They are required to be competitive, especially in an athletic competition like the ifbb. This has already been addressed in this thread. <div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">But if you think professional body building is the only place where they are using steroids, you're mistaken</div> I think I mentioned some other sports where they are used such as cycling in my first post in this thread. Drugs are so prevalent these days that they are even used in sports like golf, racquetball, badminton, and maybe even ice curling ? <div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">If it is apples to oranges, then what is the fundamental difference between taking steroids and using/doing anything else, supplementation or otherwise, that improves your performance?</div> The difference is that drugs are dangerous, and other forms of supplementation are not. Water is not dangerous, protein is not dangerous, but inhibiting estrogen or artificially increasing testosterone, is. You can point to extreme abuse of protein or water and claim that there is no difference there, but the difference is too obvious to me. Sports get more competitive every year, and drugs have such a dramatic effect on your performance that the abuse increases every season. How long will it take for things to get completely out of control in all sports the way they have in bodybuilding? Finally, I have no qualms about using steroids myself, as I plan to do exactly that someday. However, some very talented athletes are opposed to using drugs (especially the huge amounts you have to take in a sport like ifbb bodybuilding), and I think it's a shame that they can't be competitive because of their decision to protect their health. Athletes who are fine with the risks that are present today might not be ok with risks that might exist tomorrow, as the dosages they are taking now might not be good enough next year. This is the way I see sports today, and I think it continues to get worse every year. All I'm doing here is rehashing what I've already said earlier in this thread, so I have nothing more to say on the issue. I'll let you have the last word.