Why not soy protein?
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Soy brings out our feminine side.
But for those of us who remember the late 70's (ok foggy but I still remember) paraquat and the Mexican mayjane scare, it may have it's use as soy isoflavones help to reduce paraquat induced oxidative stress.
Lucky for me I was a psychedelic kind of guy.........speaking of that who remembers "Altered States"? That was a trip but my favorite "trip movie" had to be "The Song Remains the Same"
Lucky for me I was a psychedelic kind of guy.........speaking of that who remembers "Altered States"? That was a trip but my favorite "trip movie" had to be "The Song Remains the Same"
TunnelRat
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(Dan Moore @ May 10 2008,2:24)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">But for those of us who remember the late 70's (ok foggy but I still remember) paraquat and the Mexican mayjane scare, it may have it's use as soy isoflavones help to reduce paraquat induced oxidative stress.
Lucky for me I was a psychedelic kind of guy.........speaking of that who remembers "Altered States"? That was a trip but my favorite "trip movie" had to be "The Song Remains the Same"</div>
Dude...
Long time since I climbed down that mountain before...
-- Jefferson Airplane
(Dan Moore @ May 10 2008,2:24)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">But for those of us who remember the late 70's (ok foggy but I still remember) paraquat and the Mexican mayjane scare, it may have it's use as soy isoflavones help to reduce paraquat induced oxidative stress.
Lucky for me I was a psychedelic kind of guy.........speaking of that who remembers "Altered States"? That was a trip but my favorite "trip movie" had to be "The Song Remains the Same"</div>
Dude...
Long time since I climbed down that mountain before...
-- Jefferson Airplane
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(TunnelRat @ May 12 2008,9:59)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(Dan Moore @ May 10 2008,2:24)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">But for those of us who remember the late 70's (ok foggy but I still remember) paraquat and the Mexican mayjane scare, it may have it's use as soy isoflavones help to reduce paraquat induced oxidative stress.
Lucky for me I was a psychedelic kind of guy.........speaking of that who remembers "Altered States"? That was a trip but my favorite "trip movie" had to be "The Song Remains the Same"</div>
Dude...
Long time since I climbed down that mountain before...
-- Jefferson Airplane</div>
One of my favs JA
(TunnelRat @ May 12 2008,9:59)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(Dan Moore @ May 10 2008,2:24)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">But for those of us who remember the late 70's (ok foggy but I still remember) paraquat and the Mexican mayjane scare, it may have it's use as soy isoflavones help to reduce paraquat induced oxidative stress.
Lucky for me I was a psychedelic kind of guy.........speaking of that who remembers "Altered States"? That was a trip but my favorite "trip movie" had to be "The Song Remains the Same"</div>
Dude...
Long time since I climbed down that mountain before...
-- Jefferson Airplane</div>
One of my favs JA
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(Dan Moore @ May 10 2008,2:24)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">But for those of us who remember the late 70's (ok foggy but I still remember) paraquat and the Mexican mayjane scare, it may have it's use as soy isoflavones help to reduce paraquat induced oxidative stress.
Lucky for me I was a psychedelic kind of guy.........speaking of that who remembers "Altered States"? That was a trip but my favorite "trip movie" had to be "The Song Remains the Same"</div>
I can barely remember the 80's!
Old farts...
Seriously though, the 60's and 70's must have rocked. It's definitely my favorite era of music. I prefer the advances in technology though!
(Dan Moore @ May 10 2008,2:24)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">But for those of us who remember the late 70's (ok foggy but I still remember) paraquat and the Mexican mayjane scare, it may have it's use as soy isoflavones help to reduce paraquat induced oxidative stress.
Lucky for me I was a psychedelic kind of guy.........speaking of that who remembers "Altered States"? That was a trip but my favorite "trip movie" had to be "The Song Remains the Same"</div>
I can barely remember the 80's!
Old farts...
Seriously though, the 60's and 70's must have rocked. It's definitely my favorite era of music. I prefer the advances in technology though!
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(colby2152 @ May 14 2008,9:43)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Seriously though, the 60's and 70's must have rocked. It's definitely my favorite era of music. I prefer the advances in technology though!</div>
No computer spreadsheets for you in the 60s and 70s colby.
(colby2152 @ May 14 2008,9:43)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Seriously though, the 60's and 70's must have rocked. It's definitely my favorite era of music. I prefer the advances in technology though!</div>
No computer spreadsheets for you in the 60s and 70s colby.
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">there have been plenty of studies that say there's nothing wrong w/ soy. I'm way too lazy to look them up & post them, though </div>
The problem continues to be that for every study showing a reduction in serum sex hormone levels, another shows up that contradicts it. In fact, I remember one that showed the opposite. Never-the-less, there is enough out there to make you wary. I still eat soy due to it's health benefits and the high protein:carb ratio, but I pretty much stay under 30 gm/day from food sources (soy milk, etc) only.
As a newbie (which I still am, really), I made good initial gains using soy protein powder, so the protein quality is there. Note, however, that soy protein powder is about the worst vegetable source protein in terms of intestinal gas creation!
The problem continues to be that for every study showing a reduction in serum sex hormone levels, another shows up that contradicts it. In fact, I remember one that showed the opposite. Never-the-less, there is enough out there to make you wary. I still eat soy due to it's health benefits and the high protein:carb ratio, but I pretty much stay under 30 gm/day from food sources (soy milk, etc) only.
As a newbie (which I still am, really), I made good initial gains using soy protein powder, so the protein quality is there. Note, however, that soy protein powder is about the worst vegetable source protein in terms of intestinal gas creation!
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Ruth: I thought you used it because you are (or were) a veggie BB'er?</div>
Well, yes, at the time I started I wasn't aware of any good alternatives. Now, pea protein is available as a pretty good substitute (about 90% the protein quality), so I use that when using a protein powder.
Soy is still more available as a whole food source, though. I use soy milk on my cereal in the morning and some soy "cold cuts" on sandwiches. There are some great vegan protein bars from Cliff ("Builders Bar"
that are just like candy bars, but I have to watch my intake on these, as they have close to 20 gms of soy protein.
Further, it is easier to get a good protein:carb:calorie ratio on a vegan diet if you use some soy. And at almost 50, I also don't mind having a rock bottom PSA level (0.5) -- no proof that this is from soy intake, but this is a clinically demonstrated effect and I suspect that it has something to do with it.
Still, as I pointed out, it seems best to limit your intake.
Well, yes, at the time I started I wasn't aware of any good alternatives. Now, pea protein is available as a pretty good substitute (about 90% the protein quality), so I use that when using a protein powder.
Soy is still more available as a whole food source, though. I use soy milk on my cereal in the morning and some soy "cold cuts" on sandwiches. There are some great vegan protein bars from Cliff ("Builders Bar"
that are just like candy bars, but I have to watch my intake on these, as they have close to 20 gms of soy protein.Further, it is easier to get a good protein:carb:calorie ratio on a vegan diet if you use some soy. And at almost 50, I also don't mind having a rock bottom PSA level (0.5) -- no proof that this is from soy intake, but this is a clinically demonstrated effect and I suspect that it has something to do with it.
Still, as I pointed out, it seems best to limit your intake.
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(Dan Moore @ May 10 2008,2:24)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Lucky for me I was a psychedelic kind of guy.........speaking of that who remembers "Altered States"? That was a trip but my favorite "trip movie" had to be "The Song Remains the Same"</div>
Í thought 'Altered States' was a really good movie, but the best movie that I ever saw IN an altered state was '2001'.
If someone says he remembers the 60's, he didn't really live the 60's.
(Dan Moore @ May 10 2008,2:24)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Lucky for me I was a psychedelic kind of guy.........speaking of that who remembers "Altered States"? That was a trip but my favorite "trip movie" had to be "The Song Remains the Same"</div>
Í thought 'Altered States' was a really good movie, but the best movie that I ever saw IN an altered state was '2001'.
If someone says he remembers the 60's, he didn't really live the 60's.
The Long Run
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1) They use a petroleum based chemical to separate the bean's fat from the protein to get soy protein isolate.
2) Most of the soy grown in the USA is GMO which causes cancer in rats, and anyway is just downright WRONG.
3) Soy messes with your hormones, and not in a good way.
4) Soy may have a complete vegetable protein your body can use, but it also had a chemical that keeps your intestines from absorbing that protein.
So there you have it. Eating soybeans or anything from them is USELESS.
2) Most of the soy grown in the USA is GMO which causes cancer in rats, and anyway is just downright WRONG.
3) Soy messes with your hormones, and not in a good way.
4) Soy may have a complete vegetable protein your body can use, but it also had a chemical that keeps your intestines from absorbing that protein.
So there you have it. Eating soybeans or anything from them is USELESS.