You're totally right TunnelRat, but looking in the mirror, I still see my 6-pack and I don't see any noticeable amounts of fat anywhere...I do see a few layers around my mid section that weren't there before, but that's inevitable on a bulk a guess, slow or not. When I reach 220, I'll see how my body is looking and if it's not as ripped as I would like, I will do a cut cycle after this 2nd bulk cycle. Ideally, I would be ok fat wise after the 2nd cycle, and I can do a 3rd bulk cycle so 230-235 and finally do a cut cycle and get really cut and defined at around 220-225lbs.