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Yeh, what Totez said.
On Lyle McDonald's forums, Martin went from being a valuable contributor to someone who had an army of followers who screamed "HATER!" every time leangains as a protocol was shown to be either lacking or making an unsupported claim. Another time when Lyle attempted to rational discussion the LG's FB page, pointing out misinterpretations (wilfully done, perhaps) of data, Martin deleted all the posts and pretended they never happened.
There's good ideas and there's bad practicing of good ideas. LG's/its zealots has definitely slipped to the former more than a few times.
On Lyle McDonald's forums, Martin went from being a valuable contributor to someone who had an army of followers who screamed "HATER!" every time leangains as a protocol was shown to be either lacking or making an unsupported claim. Another time when Lyle attempted to rational discussion the LG's FB page, pointing out misinterpretations (wilfully done, perhaps) of data, Martin deleted all the posts and pretended they never happened.
There's good ideas and there's bad practicing of good ideas. LG's/its zealots has definitely slipped to the former more than a few times.
HST_Rihad
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You should probably add one extra deviation to that, that's what Brad compared his data to.
11.9 x 1.8542^3.2 = 85.83 kg = 189.22 lbs. You've surpassed that by about 10 lbs. How big are your wrists? It may also be that you have an unusually heavy skeleton (extra dense bones).
My wrists are not big or anything, but yes, I do have an extremely dense skeleton.
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Thanks for clarifying. I didn't know some of the history behind the comments. I try to focus on the scientific principles and not the hype.
Grooveongreg
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Leangains is great for cutting but to actually leangain it's limited. It's too hard to get decent amounts of food in such a small window to effectively get bigger. You end up eating crap to fill the void. I've used leangains loads to get lean but to bulk I always manage to **** it up
Had to fire a guy today. He pissed me off. I went to the gym after, I've been sick all week and haven't been going but decided to go anyway.
Rack pulls 315x5 (warmup) 405x3 (warmup) 505 x 3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3 - I did these sorta max-stim, but I didn't feel like doing singles so did triples and rested 5 - 10 deep breaths between each
Incline Bench 225x5 (warmup) 300x3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3
Military Press 225x10,3,3,3,3,3,3
Pulldowns 245x10x3
I felt better after that and called it good. Probably going to be sore tomorrow. Since I've had a week off, I think I'll set up a proper HST cycle, maybe I'll do all the lifts max-stim style, maybe not. I'll probably start that on Monday once I figure out for sure what I'm going to do, what lifts, loads, etc.
Rack pulls 315x5 (warmup) 405x3 (warmup) 505 x 3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3 - I did these sorta max-stim, but I didn't feel like doing singles so did triples and rested 5 - 10 deep breaths between each
Incline Bench 225x5 (warmup) 300x3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3
Military Press 225x10,3,3,3,3,3,3
Pulldowns 245x10x3
I felt better after that and called it good. Probably going to be sore tomorrow. Since I've had a week off, I think I'll set up a proper HST cycle, maybe I'll do all the lifts max-stim style, maybe not. I'll probably start that on Monday once I figure out for sure what I'm going to do, what lifts, loads, etc.
Maybe I should try firing someone next time I want a great workout?
I actually counted all those '3's: there are 11 of them for rack pulls with 505!
What I really like, though, is the 225lb press for an initial set of 10! That's beasting.
Too right you're going to be sore.
I actually counted all those '3's: there are 11 of them for rack pulls with 505!
What I really like, though, is the 225lb press for an initial set of 10! That's beasting.
Too right you're going to be sore.
My erectors and traps feel a little sore, not too bad. We will see about tomorrow though. DOMS is great how it can sneak up two days later. My delts are definitely feeling it more than anything else. I forgot to note that I did double overhand for as long as possible and of course had to switch to mixed grip pretty quickly once I started handling 505. I'm hoping to be able to double overhand greater than 505 for a single someday, without using hook grip. Not sure that is even possible to do much more than that but we will see.
While I was doing my rack pulls, there was this dude there doing deadlifts out in the middle of the gym floor. He must work there later in the day or something, I don't know, but the owner of the gym and a lot of the guys that work there were all around him cheering him on. Anyway, this guy was basically my size, but he was only deadlifting like 365 when I started watching. Pulling it up for a single, dropping it from the top instead of lowering it back down. His final pull which took him like 15 minutes to get psyched up for was only 405 and he barely locked it out, then he just dropped the bar from the top and started roaring and yelling. Everyone was congratulating him. Meanwhile, I'm over in the power rack doing endless rack pulls with 505.
Anyway, I thought it was mildly amusing. That was obviously a maximal attempt for the guy and he wasn't even small. There are people on this forum now pulling as much or more than him and are probably a good 40 lbs lighter than this guy. Kinda leads me to believe that it is more proof that HST is good for more than just size, people on this site get strong too.
I have thought about my next training set up a little more. I've been down to 215 for a few days now, weight seems to be stable even though I'm eating based on hunger and indulging myself at meals plenty. I think I may try a more strength focused setup for a while, start doing full deadlifts again once a week, start squatting again, start flat benching, work on ramping up my lifts over the course of August and September and then prior to my extended SD in October, test for 1 RMs and see where I'm at. I'm sure I've lost maximal strength since I haven't done either of those three lifts properly in a while nor have I maxed in them for a long time. It will be interesting to see. Plus I think that if I can still deadlift 635 at only 215, that would be awesome. If I can get at least 380 in bench and bump my squat up by 50 lbs or so over my previous best, I could be in the elite category on all three according to the strength standards charts @ exrx. They also have the press elite level for my weight range listed as 255 which I think I could easily do right now without ramping up to it. It's worth noting that I'm rounding myself up to the 220 weight class on those charts.
In other news, I'm also considering trying out Borge Fagerli's Biorhythm Diet. When Blade first started talking about it on Lyle's site, I thought for sure that he had gone bat**** crazy. But I respect the guy and I think I might try it out just to see how it works and get a feel for how to set it up properly. If I do run the diet, I will eat maintenance. Blade claims you will be able to slowly recomp while doing it, if that's true then that diet combined with my proposed strength training should yeild awesome results. If not, then he's gone bat**** crazy. Regardless of whether it works or not, it should allow me to have some solid workouts. Worth a shot anyway, since I am in the mood to experiment for the next little while.
While I was doing my rack pulls, there was this dude there doing deadlifts out in the middle of the gym floor. He must work there later in the day or something, I don't know, but the owner of the gym and a lot of the guys that work there were all around him cheering him on. Anyway, this guy was basically my size, but he was only deadlifting like 365 when I started watching. Pulling it up for a single, dropping it from the top instead of lowering it back down. His final pull which took him like 15 minutes to get psyched up for was only 405 and he barely locked it out, then he just dropped the bar from the top and started roaring and yelling. Everyone was congratulating him. Meanwhile, I'm over in the power rack doing endless rack pulls with 505.
Anyway, I thought it was mildly amusing. That was obviously a maximal attempt for the guy and he wasn't even small. There are people on this forum now pulling as much or more than him and are probably a good 40 lbs lighter than this guy. Kinda leads me to believe that it is more proof that HST is good for more than just size, people on this site get strong too.
I have thought about my next training set up a little more. I've been down to 215 for a few days now, weight seems to be stable even though I'm eating based on hunger and indulging myself at meals plenty. I think I may try a more strength focused setup for a while, start doing full deadlifts again once a week, start squatting again, start flat benching, work on ramping up my lifts over the course of August and September and then prior to my extended SD in October, test for 1 RMs and see where I'm at. I'm sure I've lost maximal strength since I haven't done either of those three lifts properly in a while nor have I maxed in them for a long time. It will be interesting to see. Plus I think that if I can still deadlift 635 at only 215, that would be awesome. If I can get at least 380 in bench and bump my squat up by 50 lbs or so over my previous best, I could be in the elite category on all three according to the strength standards charts @ exrx. They also have the press elite level for my weight range listed as 255 which I think I could easily do right now without ramping up to it. It's worth noting that I'm rounding myself up to the 220 weight class on those charts.
In other news, I'm also considering trying out Borge Fagerli's Biorhythm Diet. When Blade first started talking about it on Lyle's site, I thought for sure that he had gone bat**** crazy. But I respect the guy and I think I might try it out just to see how it works and get a feel for how to set it up properly. If I do run the diet, I will eat maintenance. Blade claims you will be able to slowly recomp while doing it, if that's true then that diet combined with my proposed strength training should yeild awesome results. If not, then he's gone bat**** crazy. Regardless of whether it works or not, it should allow me to have some solid workouts. Worth a shot anyway, since I am in the mood to experiment for the next little while.
Well did the diet today and it was fairly easy, I didn't get to have any fruit as Borge recommends as I had to just deal with what was around the house today. Had six eggs with a bit of cheese on them for breakfast, 2 cups of kefir with some whey thrown in after that, then some steak for lunch. Dinner was chicken with a plateful of pasta some veggies, then I ate another plateful of pasta and for a snack, I ate a bowl of cereal. 3000 calories give or take, 185 grams of protein. I'm experimenting with lower protein intake than what I normally get, just to see how it works.
It felt ok. Wasn't feeling that sated this morning with the low carbs, only had appx 20 grams of carbs prior to dinner.
Going to hit the gym tomorrow morning, we will see how I feel energy wise.
It felt ok. Wasn't feeling that sated this morning with the low carbs, only had appx 20 grams of carbs prior to dinner.
Going to hit the gym tomorrow morning, we will see how I feel energy wise.
I would probably choose IF first if I were you, as mikey pointed out, it is very easy. A couple days to adjust to where you arent starving in the morning if you are accustomed to eating breakfast. After that it is a cakewalk. The nutrient timing around lifting helps too.
Somewhat blah session today... got up at 530 am in order to have time to get some protein and stuff down, then headed to the gym. Keeping volume low for now and attempting to entirely avoid fatigue as much as is possible. Flat bench wasn't heavy but I'm not used to it anymore so it was a bit ackward. Going to keep at 15 total reps for everything until I change my mind, and increase loads every workout until I get close to maxes. Upper/lower split, sort of.
Flat bench 135x5 225x5,2,2,2,2,2
Military press 135x5 180x5,2,2,2,2,2
Pulldowns 245x5,2,2,2,2,2
That's all I had time for, probably going to add in rows though next upper day.
Somewhat blah session today... got up at 530 am in order to have time to get some protein and stuff down, then headed to the gym. Keeping volume low for now and attempting to entirely avoid fatigue as much as is possible. Flat bench wasn't heavy but I'm not used to it anymore so it was a bit ackward. Going to keep at 15 total reps for everything until I change my mind, and increase loads every workout until I get close to maxes. Upper/lower split, sort of.
Flat bench 135x5 225x5,2,2,2,2,2
Military press 135x5 180x5,2,2,2,2,2
Pulldowns 245x5,2,2,2,2,2
That's all I had time for, probably going to add in rows though next upper day.
Day 2 of diet. Probably 3300 calories, didn't count some of dinner. Breakfast was some fat free greek yogurt with a couple scoops of whey isolate, some kefir and a tiny bit of honey preworkout. Had some scrambled eggs with cheese an hour after workout. Another shake at lunch with some olive oil added in to get my fats up since I won't get enough today with dinner. 1 lb of chicken for dinner, some veggies. About an hour after that, I ate a bowl of rice with some whey mixed in, a little milk, some raisins, dash of sugar, cinnamon, mixed it up and it was pretty damn good. Ate some fresh raspberries then an entire can of pineapple.
Protein was a little higher than I wanted today. I definitely exceeded 200 grams. All in all, the diet feels ok. I kind of feel get the same feeling in the mornings prior to dinner that I would get when I went into ketosis while doing low carb, probably just need to adjust to the diet though. My body is used to carbs in the morning and at lunch. Dinner time is great though.
Protein was a little higher than I wanted today. I definitely exceeded 200 grams. All in all, the diet feels ok. I kind of feel get the same feeling in the mornings prior to dinner that I would get when I went into ketosis while doing low carb, probably just need to adjust to the diet though. My body is used to carbs in the morning and at lunch. Dinner time is great though.