... according to a guy at the german bodybuilding forum team andro. He seems like a knowledgeable person (wrote > 10,000 posts) and only includes chest dips in his routine. No bench. He thinks bench press is problematic for most trainees. Trains using HST principles, with clusters. Dips are better because of: - higher load possible - better stretch of pecs during the negative phase than bench press - work more muscle mass - easier on the shoulders compared to bench He suggests the following form: - narrow shoulder width grip, don't let elbows drift outwards, keep elbows close to body - chest out & squeezed entire time - keep shoulders back & down / retracted during entire movement - lean forward - pull heels toward butt - keep forearms vertical the whole time, forearms don't move - at the bottom keep stretch 1-3 secs - don't lock out elbows at the top - go as low as shoulder joint allows What do you guys think?