FAQ curiousity

[_Simon_]

I was curious about a FEW things Bryan says in the FAQ. It's in Section 22.7 Leptin and setpoint and 22.8 The bottom line, he says some things which takes my curiosity:

"Diet is another BIG issue here. Certain foods lend themselves to making you fat. Other foods do not, even at equivalent calories levels."

!!! i thought we discussed this ad nauseam in my thread that was unfortunately closed down and we came to the conclusion that it was above maintenance calories that causes weight gain!

also i found this interesting: "3) The higher your calories above caloric balance, the greater percentage of dietary fat that will be stored as fat. .... The reason is that your carbs will more than meet your energy needs and all the fat is then stored. When calories are deficient however, the lack of carbs prevents significant fat storage and even facilitates fat loss."

so does this mean that if no fat is eaten, it can't get stored as bodyfat? just a hypothetical i'm throwing across which i think i know the answer to..

 

[_Simon_]

also, it seems there's a contradiction regarding ingestion of protein and carbs: (22.6 Pre- and post- workout nutrition, and 22.8 The bottom line)

"The macronutrient composition of a protein meal effects where that protein is ultimately deposited and incorporated into new proteins. This is due mainly to the effects of insulin on amino acid uptake in tissues that will either deaminate and/or retain that protein well before your muscles ever see it. Such tissues include the gastrointestinal tract (stomach, small and large intestines, and the splanchnic bed (liver), then into the periphery which include ALL organs and tissues of the body, not just muscle tissue.

It turns out the insulin causes fewer amino acids to make it past these first pass organs/tissues. Why? Because as I said, those tissues will take up a greater percentage of those amino acids and use them for their own purposes or deaminate them.

... What I meant to convey was that a greater percentage of a single dose of protein might reach your muscles if there isn't a lot of insulin at that moment. I did not mean to sound as if there was a way to absorb protein without your intestines or enterocytes being involved.

Based on those studies looking at the effects of carbs/insulin on regional protein deposition it's possible that if I take 20 grams of protein without carbs, I might get a greater percentage of those 20 grams to make it through first pass metabolism by the splanchnic bed, and therefore be available for uptake in the muscle."

AND in The bottom line

"6) Protein is always more anabolic when combined with carbs. [NOTE] HSN Primer and Driver don't have carbs in order to allow you to control your own carb intake, not because it is better without carbs."

in summary, Bryan says protein is better/more anabolic without carbs due to the insulin taking it to other organs first etc, then goes on to say protein is always more anabolic when combined with carbs.

??

 

[beingisbeing]

I tried to advance certain of these points, in a totally confused and uneducated manner, in a thread about clean bulking. Sci muscle didn't approve

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I don't know how much of a difference these points make, it probably varies from individual to individual. And in some, it may amount to nil.
I really don't know.
I'm pretty sure that for me, excess carbs, especially high GI, without protein and fat buffers (meaning on an empty stomach), make me fatter than equivalent calories from elsewhere. Studies involving sedentary fat women (thats half tongue in cheek lol) that 'prove' its calories and not macronutrients that count, in fact do nothing of the sort for me.
Look at the partitioning effects you get from the UD2.0. They simply wouldn't make any sense, if it wasn't for macronutrient composition amounting to something. Lyle even says flat out, that AVOIDING DIETARY FAT is the key to not racking up weight during your carb load (which runs about 6-7000 calories).
Sure its an extreme situation, and your insulin is through the roof, and your muscle glycogen is totally depleted (before you begin the carb load I mean); this is what creates the calorie partitioning that we all crave. It seems to me in this case we've just exaggerated 'normal' patterns to suit us better, but they are indeed patterns (many people on this forum swear by "don't mix fat and carbs," for example)
I really don't know at the end of the day. But I do plan to find out what works for me.