I suspect my MRP might be making me fat

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[xeno]Julios

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I've been using Mammoth 2500 for a few months now, and I don't like the way my gut has been growing. I'm not sure if it's the MRP itself, or just the amount of calories... but either way I think it's more economical to go to a home made shake.
The mammoth 2500 has a boatload of calories (1250 calories for 4 scoops (235g) with 500 ml of milk, and 970 without the milk) that seem to derive mainly from maltodextrine. It also has crystalline fructose and MCT's derived from fractionated coconut oil.

I've heard that maltodextrine, being an unrefined sugar, is not a clean source of calories if you want lean gains, but I've also heard that only magnitude of caloric intake is of primary importance.

So I basically have 2 questions:

1) Should I be concerned with the MRP?

2) If i wanna go homemade, what are some good ingredients to use?

I wanna eliminate milk, since i'm lactose intolerant and good lactose free milk is expensive. So something that can be made in water preferrably.

Peanut butter - so long as I can get the stuff that isn't loaded with trans fats and corn syrup.

Oats - but are these high in calories?

Also, will i be able to store the shake in the fridge? Not that important, but good to know.

I'm looking to get around 1500 calories from my shakes a day (so a pair of 750 cal shakes would be awesome).

Should I use natural sources of protein for the shakes, or should I purchase a high quality protein powder?

Lastly, I don't care about taste that much.

Thanks, and sorry if this has been asked before - i did check the recipe thread.
 
I got all my calories (close to 4000) from solid food for 2 years before i supplemented with shakes. I still eat 3 solid meals a day on top of the shakes.

besides, with homemade shakes, I would be using natural and healthy unprocessed unrefined ingredients.

I also love honey, so i could use that to sweeten the shakes (in addition to adding calories)
 
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Quote[/b] (Nemesis7884 @ Jan. 20 2005,12:25)]calore surpluss makes you fat, independently where it comes from...
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What he said.
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You don't need any supplements. Get your calories from as much real food as possible and supplement as needed.

If you're getting fat, eat less.
 
Look - I realize that surplus calories make you fat - when I ate completely natural solid food I still had a gut, although I had it at a higher weight than i have it now.

As I stated clearly in my original post,



I'm not sure if it's the MRP itself, or just the amount of calories... but either way I think it's more economical to go to a home made shake.[/
so...

I'd very much appreciate some advice on what sort of ingredients I could use in a home made shake, built to the specifications I listed, regardless of whether you think I should eat more solid food.

As a full time student who works 5 days a week, it's not always feasible to cook 4000 calories of food a day every single day. Nor is it easy on the stomach.

Also, do i have cause to be concerned at getting huge amounts of calories from maltodextrin?
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you dont care about taste hmm..i guess you will get cheaper with a bought mrp because of the special ingredients you are looking for...
you can add

2 scoops protein powder = 45g protein = around 200 kcal
100g oats = 70g carbs, around 380 kcal
1 tbsp olive oil = 14g fats, around 110kcal

so around 700 kcal...in a ratio of

30 % protein
55 % carbs
15 % fat

pretty good...maybe you can reduce carbs and add 1/2 tbsp olive oil if you react sensitive to carbs...

but the taste will be ugly...
 
thanks man - didn't realize oats had so many cals! Honey, banana, and peanut/almond butter might help too i guess.

I might replace the olive oil with virgin coconut oil (i have some really good stuff that i use for frying potatoes)

Wow - i think i will start this weekend - i might not even worry too much about protein powder - i get quite a good amount from chicken, tuna, eggs, yoghurt, milk, and bread. Will see though.

Thanks again, and keep the suggestions/advice coming!
 
I'm not understanding exact what you want.

A homemade meal replacement.

Weight gainer? High protein? High calories? I'm not really sure what you want but may have some ideas for you.
 
Essentially, any ingredients you would use in a "homemade" shake are things you could just as easily eat whole.

You will still need a protein powder of some sort whether it be whey, casein, soy, or whatever else you like.

If you need calories but you don't like MRPs, just drink a protein drink with a meal.

Most inexpensive MRPs use whey and maltodextrins of some sort. Honey and fruit will not do anything different for your body as far as carbs go if you match them grams per grams of carbs.

Instead of a drink, you might think of wheys to boost protein in your other meals. Like adding whey to your oatmeal. Or mixing yogurt with cottage cheese. You can also add some types of whey to pancake mix or waffles or whatever.
 
tx for the replies so far

I think i'll stock up on oats to comprise the bulk of the calories - wanna avoid sugary stuff as much as possible i think.

100 grams of oats
2 table spoons of honey
one banana
2 table spoons of organic almond or peanut butter
2 table spoons of coconut oil
scoop or 2 of protein powder
500 ml of water

that looks about right - will let u know how it turns out.
 
You might reconsider the coconut oil... Wouldn't you rather have something poly- or mono-unsaturared? Flax oil maybe? Virgin olive oil?
 
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Quote[/b] (Bryan Haycock @ Jan. 21 2005,5:38)]Honey and fruit will not do anything different for your body as far as carbs go if you match them grams per grams of carbs.
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Bryan, so you also think the tendency of fructose and galactose to preferentially restore liver glycogen is irrelevant? It wouldn't be advantageous to utilize dex or maltodextrin?
 
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Quote[/b] (BoSox @ Jan. 21 2005,9:09)]
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Quote[/b] (Bryan Haycock @ Jan. 21 2005,5:38)]Honey and fruit will not do anything different for your body as far as carbs go if you match them grams per grams of carbs.
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Bryan, so you also think the tendency of fructose and galactose to preferentially restore liver glycogen is irrelevant? It wouldn't be advantageous to utilize dex or maltodextrin?
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When you are talking whole foods and normal eating circumstances, yes, I feel there is no need to stress about what type of natural sugar is present in the unprocessed whole foods you are eating.

If you are talking about high-fructose corn syrup or other processed carb source, I think they are worth avoiding if at all possible.

If you are trying to accomplish something specific over the course of 1 or 2 hours (run two competative races within 3 hours of eachother), then yes, you may want to consider your carb source. Malto or dextrose for rapid absorption and high inuslin levels is usually best for glycogen replenishment.

If you are on a very low carb diet and just want to get some glycogen back in your liver so your liver will act more "fed" than starved, I think you should eat a peice (i.e. 1 serving) of fresh whole fruit.
 
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Quote[/b] ([xeno]Julios @ Jan. 22 2005,9:48)]From what I understand, coconut oil isn't to be lumped in with the rest of the saturated fats.
Here's a perspective:
http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/coconut_oil.html
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Within the context of a whole diet, its probably not 'bad' but replacing all fat as some of the weston a price tards do is a different story.

Take a lot from the weston a price place with an african sized grain of salt
 
Well enig isn't alone in her analysis. But you're right, coconut oil alone isn't a good idea.

I've decided to use olive oil instead (i already have coconut oil at night and morning for frying). Cheaper too for olive oil - just gotta find a good source of olive oil that is actually pure (and not mixed with hazlenut oil, or refined, deoderized, etc..

About oats - should I go with raw oats?

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Quote[/b] ]note: Finding raw oats is difficult. My favorite source tells me that because whole raw oats turn rancid quite quickly, the companies that supply it are "lightly steaming" the oats after harvest. This is not a good thing - as steam reaches 212 degrees and will destroy all the enzymes. Ask your source, but don’t be surprised if they don’t really know that this is what is happening to the oats. If you find a truly raw source - or are a truly raw source of Organic whole oats-please contact this author. This is a delicious and hearty recipe, but unless you are sure the oats are truly raw - don’t indulge in it too often. Try this same recipe with other whole raw grains such as Barley, Kamut or Spelt.
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http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/rawoatmeal..html
 
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