Squat depth

Discussion in 'Hypertrophy-Specific Training (HST)' started by HST_Rihad, Jul 6, 2013.

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  1. Old and Grey

    Old and Grey Super Moderator Staff Member

    I rarely give references to other sites because of the number of nutcases out there. However, I am going to make an exception here because I believe the author is correct. (yes, I admit I am biased.) Does that mean I do ATG squats? No. I prefer to not risk injury of any type than have gigantic legs. Like any article, take it with a grain of salt and use what is useful.

    As to your last post, I will just say reread my answer. I do not need the feel to repeat everything.

  2. HST_Rihad

    HST_Rihad Active Member

    What I think of ROM can be summarized as:
    (1) No, this is not good squatting/leg press/shrug/etc form and will not count in a strength event.
    (2) Yes, this load induces the needed tension on the muscle to make it bigger.
  3. Old and Grey

    Old and Grey Super Moderator Staff Member

    That is why you have stayed small despite using HST.

    You can't give suggestions to a box turtle so I will pass on further suggestions to you.
  4. Bulldog

    Bulldog Active Member

    Is this all some kind of joke or just a poor attempt at trolling?

    If you are being serious then I'm really confused as to why you don't just spend your time over at BB dot com. You are certainly wasting your time here. Not to mention wasting everyone else's time when they read this ridiculousness.
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  5. HST_Rihad

    HST_Rihad Active Member

    No, actually I stayed at roughly same strength level for almost two years due to various reasons. At that period I may have added 10-20 lbs of strength in the major lifts. Nevertheless HST still allowed my to gradually put some size (fat+muscle) on my arms, chest, thighs. My chest girth was 110cm (43"), biceps 38.2cm (15") at wrist size 16cm (6.3") after my last fat bulk, which you can see in my log and the pictures here. But then on March 14, 2013, I started dieting and will begin working for more muscle only after getting my 6-pack visible.
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  6. HST_Rihad

    HST_Rihad Active Member

    Anyone who thinks this thread is full of it but still piles on weight doing his rack pulls (DL lockouts) is a wuss.
  7. Bulldog

    Bulldog Active Member

    You are confused. Rack Pulls are only done to increase the weight that can be pulled in a full dead lift. They are not done in place of dead lifts. If you were suggesting heavy partial squats to help with lockout to increase your full squat, that would be different. But that is not what you are suggesting. You are suggesting that partial squats can replace full squats.

    Stop trolling.
  8. HST_Rihad

    HST_Rihad Active Member

  9. HST_Rihad

    HST_Rihad Active Member

    Tell that to the guy doing 220kg/485lbs (more than 2.5 times his BW) for 1/4 ROM who was lean and had really developed legs, and no, he didn't look like he was all juiced up.
  10. HST_Rihad

    HST_Rihad Active Member

    Quoting Bryan from HST FAQ
    Which is exactly what I've been doing: full ROM training until the load is high enough to warrant partials (post 5RM).
  11. Old and Grey

    Old and Grey Super Moderator Staff Member

    You quoted 1/2 of an answer to suit your dumb ass needs. The next three paragraphs in the same response say:

    "Even then however, I would suggest they add rows, making sure to pull the elbows all the way behind them, in order to hit the rear delts effectively.

    So yes, you can do more weight and reps doing partials, but full range, weighted, eccentric pullups or chins by stepping off a bench or chair (or pushing yourself up with your legs) would be MUCH MUCH more effective.

    But just doing partials for the sake of doing partials would not provide better results than fullrange progressively loaded reps."

    Wiggle out of that one Turtle.
  12. HST_Rihad

    HST_Rihad Active Member

    Quoting Bryan again, from a post on this board:
    I could never have said this better :)
  13. Old and Grey

    Old and Grey Super Moderator Staff Member

    So what you are saying is that Bryan talks out of both sides of his mouth, eh? If so, please stop quoting him, especially out of context to your original point.
  14. HST_Rihad

    HST_Rihad Active Member

    Those parts have nothing to do with the relevance of partial chins to hit the lats. There are other exercises for the rear delts, if need be. Do you see the word eccentric in that part you quoted? There's no way I can do eccentric leg presses alone (except lifting with two legs, lowering with one, which is clumsy), hence the usage of a bit of partials. If used smartly, after having reached your 5RM and going past that, using a bit of partials keeps the progress going.

    Also read Bryan's forum post and sit your old and grey self down.
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  15. dempsey

    dempsey Member

    If you are concerned with tendon and ligament health then definitely use a full range of motion with lighter weights while keeping your back in its correct position.

    The way I interpreted Bryan's previous quote that you posted you would perform a full range
    of motion for the first 1 or 2 sets then if you want to do the partials for the last set as a finishing move you can.
  16. HST_Rihad

    HST_Rihad Active Member

    @dempsey, maybe. But then see another one of his quotes in post #132. So maybe not.
  17. dempsey

    dempsey Member

    I would say quote #132 does mean moving through a full range of motion.

    Using the word 'barely' to mean that it is very very difficult to move through a full range of motion but still manageable.
  18. Jester

    Jester Well-Known Member

    The angle you're creating and stopping at,given the load vector, is extremely bad for your kneecaps, in terms of acute stress. That's just physics. It's not an 'exercise' statement, it's a physics statement.

    Bryan does not advocate higher-load partial ROMs over lower-load full ROMs the way you think he does.

    Your lack of ROM means the connective tissue is still bearing too much of the load. You aren't giving the muscle enough of a chance to stretch. That's not causing microdamage the way it would be at greater ROM with slightly reduced load.

    Rack Pulls are for back development, specifically traps (all heads) and erectors (they run from base of back at the pelvis, all the way up to your neck, you know).

    Try doing them and you'll absolutely understand the difference, compared to a deadlifts.

    Furthermore, who on here does that? I haven't seen a log that selects Rack Pulls exclusively over deads.

    He won't. He's incapable of admitting he's mistaken. It isn't going to stop. Maybe now it's continuing (again) outside his log, Totez will ban him.

    You're still making the assumption of causation. But then your understanding of logic, causality and science method has been displayed to be quite poor. No, that's not a troll, just an observation of your skill level on these boards.

    You definitely misunderstood Bryan's language here. That's probably due to English being your 3rd language or 4th (can't recall which). No shame there, but it might help.
  19. Totentanz

    Totentanz Super Moderator Staff Member

    As long as he is keeping this crap in his own threads, he won't be banned just yet. I would simply suggest to anyone who dislikes his conversational or debate style to avoid his threads. I will say, however, that if he continues to hijack other people's threads to turn it into his own debate about something irrelevant or stupid, as he has done in the past, then he could be facing some sort of action in the future. For now though, as I said, simply avoid his threads that he has started if you do not want to debate him on these things. The main concern I have at this point is that newbies might come into his threads and read the stuff he writes and his misinterpretations of Bryan's posts and possibly do something wrong with their own routines.
  20. Jester

    Jester Well-Known Member

    That's my biggest objection to many of his posts.

    It isn't difficult to set-up a forum where Brad Pilon, misquoted Bryan & Blade and partial, sub-5RM loads etc could be a string of feature-creatures.

    This site is not the place.
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