Does anyone have a reliable source for protein available from beef, chicken, tuna etc
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HST_Rihad
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Large protein (beyond 70-120 g/day) requirements may look good on paper, but aren't good from financial perspective. Assuming raw skinless boneless chicken breast is at 20% protein and has almost no carbs or fats, one kg of it is enough to provide me with 200 g protein and 800 cals at the cost of $7. If I instead choose buckwheat to cover same 800 cals I would only need 1.25 glasses of raw buckwheat (255 g) to provide me with ~31 g high-profile protein and ~155 g carbs, plus some fat, and that only costs me $0.40, around 15 times less expensive.
nativetroutbum
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@Rihad - (sorry, not trying to hijack the thread) For the purposes of building muscle, 1g of chicken protein is not the same as 1g of buckwheat protein.
A gram of protein from chicken breast is much better at building muscle than a gram of protein from buckwheat because of protein density, amino acid profile and digestibility. All that fiber, I believe buckwheat has a digestability factor ~ 0.4 (where 1.0 is 100% digestable) So you're not getting all of that protein where you want it.
Also, due to the amino acid makeup of buckwheat, you're looking at needing to eat 5x the amount of buckwheat to get the same amount of "useable" protein from chicken. With that 5x amount of buckwheat, you're also going to consume a ton of carbs. At a minimum, using buckwheat a main protein source is going to throw off your "protein" macro.
A gram of protein from chicken breast is much better at building muscle than a gram of protein from buckwheat because of protein density, amino acid profile and digestibility. All that fiber, I believe buckwheat has a digestability factor ~ 0.4 (where 1.0 is 100% digestable) So you're not getting all of that protein where you want it.
Also, due to the amino acid makeup of buckwheat, you're looking at needing to eat 5x the amount of buckwheat to get the same amount of "useable" protein from chicken. With that 5x amount of buckwheat, you're also going to consume a ton of carbs. At a minimum, using buckwheat a main protein source is going to throw off your "protein" macro.
HST_Rihad
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nativetroutbum, I wasn't referring to protein content only, but rather caloric content, and that it's more rational to substitute most of one's protein with carbs as energy source, leaving 70-120 g daily protein as mostly building blocks, and not be oxidized for energy. I wonder where you got such poor buckwheat digestibility from? Lyle's article lists some of popular protein sources, rice being at the bottom of the chart at 0.76 digestibility. Ok, let's assume buckwheat is 20% less digestible than chicken (ranked at 0.94). We could simply eat 20% more of buckwheat, still about 15 times less costly.
Also I wonder why you believe buckwheat has a poor AA profile? On the contrary, it is believed to be quite rich and almost on a par with meat protein. Still, I'm not saying one should only eat buckwheat, but that it's enough to supplement it with meats, fish, etc. to get at all the AAs available, buckwheat is a side-dish anyway. The majority of cals could in my opinion come from much less expensive carbs, if you get my drift.
Also I wonder why you believe buckwheat has a poor AA profile? On the contrary, it is believed to be quite rich and almost on a par with meat protein. Still, I'm not saying one should only eat buckwheat, but that it's enough to supplement it with meats, fish, etc. to get at all the AAs available, buckwheat is a side-dish anyway. The majority of cals could in my opinion come from much less expensive carbs, if you get my drift.
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nativetroutbum
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This thread was about protein. I'll just leave it at this:
You continue doing whatever works for you, Rihad; keep eating buckwheat, I'll stick to chicken, tuna, and steak. Good luck.
You continue doing whatever works for you, Rihad; keep eating buckwheat, I'll stick to chicken, tuna, and steak. Good luck.
HST_Rihad
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Good luck to you too, I'll leave it at 80-90 g protein from chicken breast, fish, red meats, protein powder, milk, cottage cheese. The rest of my daily protein & calories would be coming from buckwheat + lentil, pasta or sometimes rice. Not the absurd 200-400 g (depending on weight) coming in from animal protein that does nothing more for a natural than increase protein oxidation for energy and decrease your $$$. If you're taking steroids and willing to spend the money, good for you. But if you've been persuaded to think taking 2-3 times the normal amount was the only way to build your muscle naturally, too bad.
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Not "only", best.
Which person told you to consume 400g from animals? That's absurd.
Just use whey already. It's the cheapest source per gram by far.
HST_Rihad
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Whey (dairy) is animals too 
Unfortunately, it may be as cheap as dust in USA or even Australia, being relatively close to USA. Not so in the dreaded Eurasia, where shipping costs & customs taxes almost double the costs.
As to the necessity of more protein - it's contentious at best.
In our country the cheapest whey you can get is Full Force whey protein force 3 kg (100 servings: 20g whey, 4g carbs, 2g fats) costs 76 AZN, or 97 USD.
Unfortunately, it may be as cheap as dust in USA or even Australia, being relatively close to USA. Not so in the dreaded Eurasia, where shipping costs & customs taxes almost double the costs.As to the necessity of more protein - it's contentious at best.
In our country the cheapest whey you can get is Full Force whey protein force 3 kg (100 servings: 20g whey, 4g carbs, 2g fats) costs 76 AZN, or 97 USD.
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