anyone try 912hst?

Discussion in 'Basic Training Principles and Methods' started by colby2152, Aug 30, 2005.

  1. colby2152

    colby2152 New Member

    this is my 3rd and final time asking this.. but if anyone has tried this method for it's quick fat burning potentital, let me know your results and comments on it

  2. Jester

    Jester Well-Known Member

    Do a site-search for 912 hst....there way a fairly lengthy discussion abt it a few months back,
  3. colby2152

    colby2152 New Member

    Yeah I did that and the person under the handle [email protected] loved 912. Skinnyman tried it but got sick within the 1st week and he never tried it again.. I was hoping to get some more feedback on it.
  4. M@x

    [email protected] New Member

    A lot of germans have succesfully tried it, but there is always an increased injury danger ! So do not try to handle to much volumen.

    If you decide to try it, go into a very low calorie diat (starvation)

    I have developt my own version of 912hst->
    look in the thread customizing hst (page 14) (my post)

    any questions about the 912hst?

    (please do not mind my language, i am a uneducated german)
  5. colby2152

    colby2152 New Member

    I was interested in it, but I can't stand not eating. Losing .5-1% bodyfat per month on standard HST seems to be working though. I will keep it in mind if I need it before next summer.

  6. M@x

    [email protected] New Member

    I just have contacted the inventor of 912hst in Germany, his handle is zyko, maybe he will post something in this forum.
  7. zyko

    zyko New Member

    well, there are two basic principles behind 912:

    1.working out a lot burns a lot of calories (which is good for getting rid of that annoying bodyfat).

    and 2. working out a lot (heavy, frequent stimuli) helps retaining lean mass.

    comparing the effects of heavy strenght training and cardio on EPOC, it appears to me that HST-like strength training is more effective for burning calories than any form of low intensity cardio (I'm speaking of LSD, long steady distance, not HIIT or interval training, which might be quite useful on the other hand).

    see for example
    schuenke et al. Effect of an acute period of resistance exercise on excess post-exercise oxygen consumption: implications for body mass management. Eur J Appl Physiol. 2002 Mar;86(5):411-7.
    for further details. this study investigated the effects of a 3 sets, 10 reps to failure training protocol consisting of only 3 exercises (bench press, squat and power clean, 35 minutes in total per training session) on it's effect on resting metabolic rate following 48h after the initial workout. mean increase in metabolism was 20% in these two days. this is a whole lot of energetic demand for regeneration compared to cardio, which has not been shown to have any prolonged effects on metabolism.

    all the other stuff in the article is rather supposed to server as an inspiration on how to conceive a training routine that provides the above stated criteria. if you don't like working out only 12 days in a row, go ahead and change the plan the way it fits you best (if you think you can handle such volume, frequency and load for more than 12 days without burning out). yet only one cycle of 912 was never actually supposed to form a stand-alone diet by itself. normally, a decent diet would consist of a sequence of such cycles.

    a lot of people got sore joints and tendons from 912, while I have never heard of any serious injuries. I guess it's a blatantly stupid idea to suddenly increase every parameter of one's workout by 300-400% without further preparation. of course you need the general physical preparedness to sustain such poundages every day. this is just common sense.

    I can't provide any empirical data in english language, but there is plenty to read on the german forums about 912. generally, people don't enjoy it ("too much, too heavy"), but no one I ever heard of has had disappointing results in the way of fat loss.
    in the end, it's just a question of caloric balance. if you eat 2000kcal and metabolise 3000kcal, you lose 1000kcal equivalent of bodyfat. 912 or any other routine simply helps wasting more energy.
  8. colby2152

    colby2152 New Member

    thanks for the reply zyko [​IMG]
  9. Hypertrophier

    Hypertrophier New Member

    Is it for muscular hypertrophy?
  10. M@x

    [email protected] New Member

    no! It is for cutting!
  11. Hypertrophier

    Hypertrophier New Member

    Why is it called HST?
  12. Totentanz

    Totentanz Super Moderator Staff Member

    It isn't the routine that determines if it is "for hypertrophy" or "for cutting" so much as the diet you follow while on that routine. If you have a calorie deficit, you will probably lose weight, whereas if you have a calorie surplus, you will gain weight.

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