Cholesterol
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Diet apparently plays a relatively small part in your cholesterol readings. I get blood work done every 6 months and the difference between eating no eggs at all or eating 12 or more per day is virtually nil. Genetic predisposition is by far the greatest determining factor. The Arizona Heart Institute claims that diet and exercise MIGHT make a 20% difference. If you eat relatively clean and don't ignore cardio you have probably done all you can do.
Actually, dietary cholesterol does matter, especially if you have a genetic or other predisposition to incomplete metaboilism in the liver, including conditions such as familial hypercholesterolemia. You do not need dietary cholesterol to thrive.
Check out the following (from http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4488 )
What about cholesterol and diet?
People get cholesterol in two ways. The body — mainly the liver — produces varying amounts, usually about 1,000 milligrams a day. Foods also can contain cholesterol. Foods from animals (especially egg yolks, meat, poultry, fish, seafood and whole-milk dairy products) contain it. Foods from plants (fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts and seeds) don't contain cholesterol.
Typically the body makes all the cholesterol it needs, so people don't need to consume it. Saturated fatty acids are the main culprit in raising blood cholesterol, which increases your risk of heart disease. Trans fats also raise blood cholesterol. But dietary cholesterol also plays a part. The average American man consumes about 337 milligrams of cholesterol a day; the average woman, 217 milligrams.
Some of the excess dietary cholesterol is removed from the body through the liver. Still, the American Heart Association recommends that you limit your average daily cholesterol intake to less than 300 milligrams. If you have heart disease, limit your daily intake to less than 200 milligrams. Still, everyone should remember that by keeping their dietary intake of saturated fats low, they can significantly lower their dietary cholesterol intake. Foods high in saturated fat generally contain substantial amounts of dietary cholesterol.
People with severe high blood cholesterol levels may need an even greater reduction. Since cholesterol is in all foods from animal sources, care must be taken to eat no more than six ounces of lean meat, fish and poultry per day and to use fat-free and low-fat dairy products. High-quality proteins from vegetable sources such as beans are good substitutes for animal sources of protein.
Check out the following (from http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4488 )
What about cholesterol and diet?
People get cholesterol in two ways. The body — mainly the liver — produces varying amounts, usually about 1,000 milligrams a day. Foods also can contain cholesterol. Foods from animals (especially egg yolks, meat, poultry, fish, seafood and whole-milk dairy products) contain it. Foods from plants (fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts and seeds) don't contain cholesterol.
Typically the body makes all the cholesterol it needs, so people don't need to consume it. Saturated fatty acids are the main culprit in raising blood cholesterol, which increases your risk of heart disease. Trans fats also raise blood cholesterol. But dietary cholesterol also plays a part. The average American man consumes about 337 milligrams of cholesterol a day; the average woman, 217 milligrams.
Some of the excess dietary cholesterol is removed from the body through the liver. Still, the American Heart Association recommends that you limit your average daily cholesterol intake to less than 300 milligrams. If you have heart disease, limit your daily intake to less than 200 milligrams. Still, everyone should remember that by keeping their dietary intake of saturated fats low, they can significantly lower their dietary cholesterol intake. Foods high in saturated fat generally contain substantial amounts of dietary cholesterol.
People with severe high blood cholesterol levels may need an even greater reduction. Since cholesterol is in all foods from animal sources, care must be taken to eat no more than six ounces of lean meat, fish and poultry per day and to use fat-free and low-fat dairy products. High-quality proteins from vegetable sources such as beans are good substitutes for animal sources of protein.
cholesterol is a topic which will bring a divided repsonse for years to come I'm sure. either way, there are whey proteins out there w/ less cholesterol if you want to be on the safe side. Dymatize Elite Whey is cheap, tastes good, & has only 5mg. likewise for BB.com's house brand & it only has 1.5 mg. I wouldn't toss the protein powder you have now though & it could be worse- Cytosport's whey has 50 mg
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(terp @ Mar. 14 2007,15:05)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">cholesterol is a topic which will bring a divided repsonse for years to come I'm sure. either way, there are whey proteins out there w/ less cholesterol if you want to be on the safe side. Dymatize Elite Whey is cheap, tastes good, & has only 5mg. likewise for BB.com's house brand & it only has 1.5 mg. I wouldn't toss the protein powder you have now though & it could be worse- Cytosport's whey has 50 mg
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I'm not having a go at you here mate but I don't inderstand that mentality. How is avoiding a good healthy fat like cholesterol 'being on the safe side'? There's a real life example in this very thread from leegee38 saying he has blood tests and his cholesterol intake has zero effect on his own levels. There's so much evidence out there to support this.
Just use common sense, eat things in moderation and avoid things you know are bad for you, like trans-fats, MSG, empty sugary carbs, etc.
Bodybuilding and nutrition is so full of urban myths it's unbelievable. It seems it's much easier to get people to believe something that's pseudo science than it is a fact.
(terp @ Mar. 14 2007,15:05)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">cholesterol is a topic which will bring a divided repsonse for years to come I'm sure. either way, there are whey proteins out there w/ less cholesterol if you want to be on the safe side. Dymatize Elite Whey is cheap, tastes good, & has only 5mg. likewise for BB.com's house brand & it only has 1.5 mg. I wouldn't toss the protein powder you have now though & it could be worse- Cytosport's whey has 50 mg
I'm not having a go at you here mate but I don't inderstand that mentality. How is avoiding a good healthy fat like cholesterol 'being on the safe side'? There's a real life example in this very thread from leegee38 saying he has blood tests and his cholesterol intake has zero effect on his own levels. There's so much evidence out there to support this.
Just use common sense, eat things in moderation and avoid things you know are bad for you, like trans-fats, MSG, empty sugary carbs, etc.
Bodybuilding and nutrition is so full of urban myths it's unbelievable. It seems it's much easier to get people to believe something that's pseudo science than it is a fact.
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(quadancer @ Mar. 14 2007,09:38)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Good points, Jake, but from what Aaron had me reading lately, the ketogenic state diets tend to lower cholesterol even though that's what you're consuming in large quantities, so in that case it's different.
Unless the diet gurus are lying. Wouldn't be the first time.</div>
Whether or not keto diets lower cholesterol is a question for us epidemiologists to look at, for sure- I don't know of any population-based studies that support or refute this, so I'd probably err on the side of caution and watch the cholesterol intake. Also, you can eat keto that's low(er) in cholesterol- the two don't have to go hand in hand!
(quadancer @ Mar. 14 2007,09:38)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Good points, Jake, but from what Aaron had me reading lately, the ketogenic state diets tend to lower cholesterol even though that's what you're consuming in large quantities, so in that case it's different.
Unless the diet gurus are lying. Wouldn't be the first time.</div>
Whether or not keto diets lower cholesterol is a question for us epidemiologists to look at, for sure- I don't know of any population-based studies that support or refute this, so I'd probably err on the side of caution and watch the cholesterol intake. Also, you can eat keto that's low(er) in cholesterol- the two don't have to go hand in hand!
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">How is avoiding a good healthy fat like cholesterol 'being on the safe side'? </div>
I can't imagine why anyone would (or could) call cholesterol a "good healthy fat."
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">There's a real life example in this very thread from leegee38 saying he has blood tests and his cholesterol intake has zero effect on his own levels. </div>
This is an N of 1, and it's not in any way conclusive. There could be a number of reasons why his cholesterol remains low, including exercise level, genetics, and of course, what the rest of his diet looks like. This should not, in any way, be taken as evidence that dietary intake of cholesterol is OK.
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"> There's so much evidence out there to support this.</div>
Where would this evidence be? Can you provide citations to the literature for this?
(In the interest of full disclosure, I'm an epidemiologist, so depending on your point of view, I'm either knowledgeable abouit population-based health issues, or I'm one of the "establishment."
here's so much evidence out there to support this.
I can't imagine why anyone would (or could) call cholesterol a "good healthy fat."
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">There's a real life example in this very thread from leegee38 saying he has blood tests and his cholesterol intake has zero effect on his own levels. </div>
This is an N of 1, and it's not in any way conclusive. There could be a number of reasons why his cholesterol remains low, including exercise level, genetics, and of course, what the rest of his diet looks like. This should not, in any way, be taken as evidence that dietary intake of cholesterol is OK.
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"> There's so much evidence out there to support this.</div>
Where would this evidence be? Can you provide citations to the literature for this?
(In the interest of full disclosure, I'm an epidemiologist, so depending on your point of view, I'm either knowledgeable abouit population-based health issues, or I'm one of the "establishment."
here's so much evidence out there to support this.<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Have you had your cholesterol checked? There might not be anything to worry about unless you are genetically predisposed to those kinds of problems. Personally, I get mine checked every six months just to be sure. </div>
Maybe once a couple years ago, and it wasn't a problem then. However, I do have a family history of hypertension, high cholesterol, and heart disease.
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">cholesterol is a topic which will bring a divided repsonse for years to come I'm sure. either way, there are whey proteins out there w/ less cholesterol if you want to be on the safe side. Dymatize Elite Whey is cheap, tastes good, & has only 5mg. likewise for BB.com's house brand & it only has 1.5 mg. I wouldn't toss the protein powder you have now though & it could be worse- Cytosport's whey has 50 mg </div>
Thanks for the tips terp! Next time I order, I'll keep those in mind.
Jake, your suggestions are on track from what I learned in and out of class. I guess I should have my average cholesterol under 200 mg/day. I love meat, fish, and poultry so much though!
Maybe once a couple years ago, and it wasn't a problem then. However, I do have a family history of hypertension, high cholesterol, and heart disease.
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">cholesterol is a topic which will bring a divided repsonse for years to come I'm sure. either way, there are whey proteins out there w/ less cholesterol if you want to be on the safe side. Dymatize Elite Whey is cheap, tastes good, & has only 5mg. likewise for BB.com's house brand & it only has 1.5 mg. I wouldn't toss the protein powder you have now though & it could be worse- Cytosport's whey has 50 mg </div>
Thanks for the tips terp! Next time I order, I'll keep those in mind.
Jake, your suggestions are on track from what I learned in and out of class. I guess I should have my average cholesterol under 200 mg/day. I love meat, fish, and poultry so much though!
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(quadancer @ Mar. 15 2007,03:38)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Good points, Jake, but from what Aaron had me reading lately, the ketogenic state diets tend to lower cholesterol even though that's what you're consuming in large quantities, so in that case it's different.
Unless the diet gurus are lying. Wouldn't be the first time.</div>
When losing fat, a high saturated fat / high cholesterol diet tends to lower cholesterol inspite of the diet, rather than because of the diet.
When maintaining or hypercaloric on a high saturated diet. cholesterol levels can go high
(quadancer @ Mar. 15 2007,03:38)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Good points, Jake, but from what Aaron had me reading lately, the ketogenic state diets tend to lower cholesterol even though that's what you're consuming in large quantities, so in that case it's different.
Unless the diet gurus are lying. Wouldn't be the first time.</div>
When losing fat, a high saturated fat / high cholesterol diet tends to lower cholesterol inspite of the diet, rather than because of the diet.
When maintaining or hypercaloric on a high saturated diet. cholesterol levels can go high
btw, one pretty easy way to avoid eating lots of cholesterol (and, probably more significant for most people) saturated fats in a high protein diet is to learn to like fish
The fats in these are largely 'good' fats - which appear to help your body do a better job of dealing with the cholesteral in your blood - and, if you eat a portion of fish in a meal, this will generally also stop you from eating saturated fats as part of the meal (well, unless you go for surf and turf, cream/butter sauces, etc...)
Fish tastes nice, and can be cheap compared to decent-quality meat, too
Fish tastes nice, and can be cheap compared to decent-quality meat, too
