Do we really grow after training?

Discussion in 'Hypertrophy Research' started by stingblood, May 9, 2008.

  1. stingblood

    stingblood New Member

    Since I started following the anabolic diet and training Max-stim style everytime I trained heavier or everytime I improved my technique (recrtuiting fibers and feeling the pain ba mind-muscle connection), I grew DURING training and not really after.

    Even if I eat above maintenance for muscle grow I still can't see any markable gain after the session like the ones I experiment during training sessions.

    What do you guys think of this?
     
  2. colby2152

    colby2152 New Member

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    (stingblood @ May 09 2008,3:14)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Since I started following the anabolic diet and training Max-stim style everytime I trained heavier or everytime I improved my technique (recrtuiting fibers and feeling the pain ba mind-muscle connection), I grew DURING training and not really after.

    Even if I eat above maintenance for muscle grow I still can't see any markable gain after the session like the ones I experiment during training sessions.

    What do you guys think of this?</div>
    I believe you are confusing &quot;pump&quot; with growth.
     
  3. stingblood

    stingblood New Member

    I am sure not.

    I have been training for 6 years now and I know the difference believe me, thanks though.
     
  4. <div>
    (stingblood @ May 09 2008,4:14)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Since I started following the anabolic diet and training Max-stim style everytime I trained heavier or everytime I improved my technique (recrtuiting fibers and feeling the pain ba mind-muscle connection), I grew DURING training and not really after.

    Even if I eat above maintenance for muscle grow I still can't see any markable gain after the session like the ones I experiment during training sessions.

    What do you guys think of this?</div>
    How long did the growth you noticed during the training last? I mean, did the growth occurred during the training were reverted some hours or a day after the training or you kept those gains in the long run?
     
  5. stingblood

    stingblood New Member

    I kept the gains, and it's also not sarcoplasmic hypertrohpy...
     
  6. scientific muscle

    scientific muscle New Member

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    (stingblood @ May 09 2008,3:14)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Since I started following the anabolic diet and training Max-stim style everytime I trained heavier or everytime I improved my technique (recrtuiting fibers and feeling the pain ba mind-muscle connection), I grew DURING training and not really after.

    Even if I eat above maintenance for muscle grow I still can't see any markable gain after the session like the ones I experiment during training sessions.

    What do you guys think of this?</div>
    What the heck are you talking about? How are you measuring growth and when exactly it occurs?
     
  7. Bulldog

    Bulldog Active Member

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    (scientific muscle @ May 09 2008,4:20)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
    (stingblood @ May 09 2008,3:14)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Since I started following the anabolic diet and training Max-stim style everytime I trained heavier or everytime I improved my technique (recrtuiting fibers and feeling the pain ba mind-muscle connection), I grew DURING training and not really after.

    Even if I eat above maintenance for muscle grow I still can't see any markable gain after the session like the ones I experiment during training sessions.

    What do you guys think of this?</div>
    What the heck are you talking about?  How are you measuring growth and when exactly it occurs?</div>
    That's what I would like to know. [​IMG]
     
  8. Totentanz

    Totentanz Super Moderator Staff Member

    You don't grow immediately. It takes a period of time for the body to build new muscle, it does not happen instantaneously.
     
  9. stingblood

    stingblood New Member

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    (Totentanz @ May 09 2008,8:02)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">You don't grow immediately.  It takes a period of time for the body to build new muscle, it does not happen instantaneously.</div>
    Not sure of what you're saying

    ....that's why I am asking the question.


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  10. dkm1987

    dkm1987 New Member

    Actually you do grow immediately it's just not in a measurable (by the naked eye) amount.

    Imagine if you will (My Rod Sterling impression),

    Protein Synthesis becomes positive, this means that some proteins are being made. These new proteins are then deposited as their respective fraction and growth has occured. Now, according to some studies, this may account for up to 7 grams (26 grams total tissue minus water and other non protein) would one being to visually see this change, no. But as Totentanz is saying over time this 7 gram increase adds up.

    The turnover time varies for specific fractions so the time for this new protein to be deposited will vary.

    In most cases what is visually represented when measuring growth immediately post training is localized swelling, glycogen, water, lactic acid and such.
     
  11. quadancer

    quadancer New Member

    Should I do my brick=workout anology now? [​IMG]
    Not to forget that we compensate post-w.o. with simple carbs, then complex an hour or so later, creating some glycogen refilling? That would &quot;show&quot; in the mirror somewhat.
     
  12. TunnelRat

    TunnelRat Active Member

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    (Dan Moore @ May 10 2008,7:53)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Actually you do grow immediately it's just not in a measurable (by the naked eye) amount.</div>
    I dunno, I recall watching Lou Ferigno grow measurably. Unfortunately, his skin would turn green...

    [​IMG]
     
  13. stingblood

    stingblood New Member

    <div>
    (Dan Moore @ May 10 2008,7:53)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Actually you do grow immediately it's just not in a measurable (by the naked eye) amount.

    Imagine if you will (My Rod Sterling impression),

    Protein Synthesis becomes positive, this means that some proteins are being made. These new proteins are then deposited as their respective fraction and growth has occured. Now, according to some studies, this may account for up to 7 grams (26 grams total tissue minus water and other non protein) would one being to visually see this change, no. But as Totentanz is saying over time this 7 gram increase adds up.

    The turnover time varies for specific fractions so the time for this new protein to be deposited will vary.

    In most cases what is visually represented when measuring growth immediately post training is localized swelling, glycogen, water, lactic acid and such.</div>
    What I can tell is that when I train heavier (or improve technique) I can see with my eyes muscle growing not to a big extent but I see the difference and I feel something being added for exemple on my biceps (it takes a little more place)

    Ok so it is glycogen and other stuff not really muslce....but when doing 20 reps ala Max-stim style and being in an anabolic environment (due to the high cholesterol diet)..is this not logical....so when you create microtraumas during the training why wouldn't growth occur immediately?

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