okay ..I don't want to seem too uninformed..but who is pat arnold and where can I get his products. Is his stuff better than biotests? I don't know about either one of their oral p.h. products and can afford to buy them, but why waste my money if this arnold guy has something better out. Also I think bryan could enlighten us on this area even if he doesn't have a product out yet. Are any of the products worth trying? I can get steroids easily because of my bodybuilding connections, but they are illegal. I am interested in some feedback from you guys. I have a m.d. degree so speak freely and i will try to keep up. Educate me and point in the right direction concerning the current p.h. market. i think having no product , would be better than a half assed one that was more placebo than get go, if you follow my drift.