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I hope you can sort out your shoulder problems before the competition. I know you are good for at least 400 pounds on the bench! I hope you smash everyone with your total.
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Bulldog
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(stevejones @ Jun. 29 2007,14:26)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Shoulder is still screwed up, despite the fact that I'm doing all my rc & scapula exercises. Probably looking at another 2 months of slowly rehabbing it. </div>
Steve,
Have you ever had your shoulder checked out by a good orthopedic surgeon? With the recurring problems you are having it may be worth your time to get an MRI and a Arthrogram done to see if something is torn.
(stevejones @ Jun. 29 2007,14:26)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Shoulder is still screwed up, despite the fact that I'm doing all my rc & scapula exercises. Probably looking at another 2 months of slowly rehabbing it. </div>
Steve,
Have you ever had your shoulder checked out by a good orthopedic surgeon? With the recurring problems you are having it may be worth your time to get an MRI and a Arthrogram done to see if something is torn.
stevejones
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(Bulldog @ Jul. 03 2007,15:46)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(stevejones @ Jun. 29 2007,14:26)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Shoulder is still screwed up, despite the fact that I'm doing all my rc & scapula exercises. Probably looking at another 2 months of slowly rehabbing it. </div>
Steve,
Have you ever had your shoulder checked out by a good orthopedic surgeon? With the recurring problems you are having it may be worth your time to get an MRI and a Arthrogram done to see if something is torn.</div>
Personally, I think I'm too much of a wuss to have a torn rc and not realize it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's only been about 5 weeks since I've been rehabbing it this time. I think I'll give it at least 8 weeks with these pushups/face pulls/rc exercises and if that doesn't do it then I'll see a doc. With the bench I can still do 315 and feel nothing. Once I get to 350 then my shoulder starts acting up pretty badly. If I had a torn rc I doubt I could do a bench press with any weight (?
). I haven't seen how much I can do with a shirt. I'm not training the bench at all.
Squats man...whew they are ripping me apart. Smolov is no joke. I'm getting through it pretty good because I'm really motivated to do well. Andy Bolton is my inspiration. I've been training with a wrestling coach from the local college. He helps me with a spot, squat suit, and knee wraps. All this gear is a real pain.
Ya know, many guys who squat ATG criticize the guys who do the parallel stuff with the squat suits (including me, previously), but it's just as hard to hold all this extra weight as it is to go ATG with the lighter stuff. It really takes a lot out of you and requires some serious concentration. Pretty intense. Powerlifting rules
(Bulldog @ Jul. 03 2007,15:46)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(stevejones @ Jun. 29 2007,14:26)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Shoulder is still screwed up, despite the fact that I'm doing all my rc & scapula exercises. Probably looking at another 2 months of slowly rehabbing it. </div>
Steve,
Have you ever had your shoulder checked out by a good orthopedic surgeon? With the recurring problems you are having it may be worth your time to get an MRI and a Arthrogram done to see if something is torn.</div>
Personally, I think I'm too much of a wuss to have a torn rc and not realize it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's only been about 5 weeks since I've been rehabbing it this time. I think I'll give it at least 8 weeks with these pushups/face pulls/rc exercises and if that doesn't do it then I'll see a doc. With the bench I can still do 315 and feel nothing. Once I get to 350 then my shoulder starts acting up pretty badly. If I had a torn rc I doubt I could do a bench press with any weight (?
Squats man...whew they are ripping me apart. Smolov is no joke. I'm getting through it pretty good because I'm really motivated to do well. Andy Bolton is my inspiration. I've been training with a wrestling coach from the local college. He helps me with a spot, squat suit, and knee wraps. All this gear is a real pain.
Ya know, many guys who squat ATG criticize the guys who do the parallel stuff with the squat suits (including me, previously), but it's just as hard to hold all this extra weight as it is to go ATG with the lighter stuff. It really takes a lot out of you and requires some serious concentration. Pretty intense. Powerlifting rules
Bulldog
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You may be right (that you don't have a tear) if you are lifting 315 with no pain pain at all. But I would still recommend seeing a good orthopedic surgeon. A good orthopedic surgeon would probably have a pretty good idea if a tear is a possibility or not.
Have you ever dislocated your shoulder? I'm just wondering if maybe it is a problem with the AC joint and it's not showing itself until you have enough of a load for it to rear it's ugly head.
Have you ever dislocated your shoulder? I'm just wondering if maybe it is a problem with the AC joint and it's not showing itself until you have enough of a load for it to rear it's ugly head.
I'm in the same boat w/ you guys. My bench is okay to about 280 or so, and hurts like hell over 300- along with my wrist pains, which are actually worse than the AC joint. The rotations haven't improved much; I'm still holding the pole very wide. I thought you were supposed to be able to bring the hands in a bit each workout, and increase flexibility. Maybe I really am gettin old. Crap.
I've started on suckin' down flax oil liquid. One gulp equals about 15 of those stupid little capsules. Maybe this will help; I wasn't taking enough oils.
I've started on suckin' down flax oil liquid. One gulp equals about 15 of those stupid little capsules. Maybe this will help; I wasn't taking enough oils.
I've had to re-think things, myself, b/c of injuries. For what it's worth, my shoulder pain pretty much went away when I started keeping my elbows in on the bench press. I'm pretty sure you probably do that already, tho.
And if you had a torn rotator, I don't think you'd be able to even brush your hair, let alone bench 315
When I first had my shoulder problem a few years ago, I got a cortisone shot. In about a week, the pain was gone. Got a good few years relief from the pain, too. Maybe u can consider that.
And if you had a torn rotator, I don't think you'd be able to even brush your hair, let alone bench 315
When I first had my shoulder problem a few years ago, I got a cortisone shot. In about a week, the pain was gone. Got a good few years relief from the pain, too. Maybe u can consider that.
TunnelRat
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(Slapshotz @ Jul. 07 2007,10:11)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">And if you had a torn rotator, I don't think you'd be able to even brush your hair, let alone bench 315
When I first had my shoulder problem a few years ago, I got a cortisone shot. In about a week, the pain was gone. Got a good few years relief from the pain, too. Maybe u can consider that.</div>
Yup, I had a torn rotator cuff in my right shoulder. I could barely lift my arm to shave. I tried the cortisone injection, but since there was a tear, it didn't help much.
Of course, there's lots of fun stuff that can go wrong with shoulders beyond torn rotator cuffs. You might well have an impingement. Unfortunately, rc exercises are often not enough.
Arthroscopic surgery on the shoulder removes the bursa and the coracoacromion ligament. Then they take a rat tail file to the underside of your acromion. Figure two or three months rehab and you're as good as new!
http://www.orthosports.com.au/swarm....nt.html
(Slapshotz @ Jul. 07 2007,10:11)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">And if you had a torn rotator, I don't think you'd be able to even brush your hair, let alone bench 315
When I first had my shoulder problem a few years ago, I got a cortisone shot. In about a week, the pain was gone. Got a good few years relief from the pain, too. Maybe u can consider that.</div>
Yup, I had a torn rotator cuff in my right shoulder. I could barely lift my arm to shave. I tried the cortisone injection, but since there was a tear, it didn't help much.
Of course, there's lots of fun stuff that can go wrong with shoulders beyond torn rotator cuffs. You might well have an impingement. Unfortunately, rc exercises are often not enough.
Arthroscopic surgery on the shoulder removes the bursa and the coracoacromion ligament. Then they take a rat tail file to the underside of your acromion. Figure two or three months rehab and you're as good as new!
http://www.orthosports.com.au/swarm....nt.html
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(TunnelRat @ Jul. 07 2007,16:51)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Arthroscopic surgery on the shoulder removes the bursa and the coracoacromion ligament. Then they take a rat tail file to the underside of your acromion. Figure two or three months rehab and you're as good as new!</div>
Interesting anim.
I understand what you mean but I somehow doubt you are as good as new (once everything has healed up) considering the procedure. Of course, any pain from inflammation etc. should be gone which would be a great relief.
Any idea how the removal of the coracoacromion ligament and the bursa effect the stability of the joint after it has healed?
(TunnelRat @ Jul. 07 2007,16:51)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Arthroscopic surgery on the shoulder removes the bursa and the coracoacromion ligament. Then they take a rat tail file to the underside of your acromion. Figure two or three months rehab and you're as good as new!</div>
Interesting anim.
I understand what you mean but I somehow doubt you are as good as new (once everything has healed up) considering the procedure. Of course, any pain from inflammation etc. should be gone which would be a great relief.
Any idea how the removal of the coracoacromion ligament and the bursa effect the stability of the joint after it has healed?
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imported_duramax
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i had a back injury during powerlifting. my coach kept telling me that it was a torn muscle but it kept on going ang going. so i went to a doctor, reffered me back specialist, then find out that two of my disks in the lumbar area (lower back) had slipped. couldnt workout lower for two months.
stevejones
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Have 1 1/2 more weeks of Smolov stuff and then I cut the volume way down and start peaking. I'm shooting for a 900 on the squat (equipped) and 800 on deadlift.
Don't ever train in front of a mirror when you deadlift. The risks are too great. I missed a triple today (only got 2 reps) because of the f'in mirror. Thought I could ignore my reflection. I was wrong.
I agree with Shane Hammond when it comes to sugar. Sugar is a wonderful food for strength. It makes you frikken strong, especially if you're a natural and can't depend on drugs which make everything 100 times easier. When you get really close to your genetic limits (and most people don't even really know what that means) and gains come super ass slow, you have to work your ass off to get stronger..and you need super calories to do that. Sugar rules !
Oh yeah, forgot about the shoulder. Still not getting any better. Think I might have impingement syndrome, in which case the rc exercises might not be helping much. Hopefully the pushups and face pulls help eventually, because they aren't helping much as of right now.
Don't ever train in front of a mirror when you deadlift. The risks are too great. I missed a triple today (only got 2 reps) because of the f'in mirror. Thought I could ignore my reflection. I was wrong.
I agree with Shane Hammond when it comes to sugar. Sugar is a wonderful food for strength. It makes you frikken strong, especially if you're a natural and can't depend on drugs which make everything 100 times easier. When you get really close to your genetic limits (and most people don't even really know what that means) and gains come super ass slow, you have to work your ass off to get stronger..and you need super calories to do that. Sugar rules !
Oh yeah, forgot about the shoulder. Still not getting any better. Think I might have impingement syndrome, in which case the rc exercises might not be helping much. Hopefully the pushups and face pulls help eventually, because they aren't helping much as of right now.
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<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I agree with Shane Hammond when it comes to sugar. Sugar is a wonderful food for strength. It makes you frikken strong, especially if you're a natural and can't depend on drugs which make everything 100 times easier. When you get really close to your genetic limits (and most people don't even really know what that means) and gains come super ass slow, you have to work your ass off to get stronger..and you need super calories to do that. Sugar rules !</div>
Pork may be the "other" white meat, but sugar is the "other" white powder
Have to agree there. I sure didn't eat a lot of it when I was cutting (and still don't), but a couple of tablespoons of pure honey about 1/2 hour b/4 training time usually gives me a great jolt for my training, and no doubt helped me hit a few PRs that I otherwise wouldn't have gotten.
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I agree with Shane Hammond when it comes to sugar. Sugar is a wonderful food for strength. It makes you frikken strong, especially if you're a natural and can't depend on drugs which make everything 100 times easier. When you get really close to your genetic limits (and most people don't even really know what that means) and gains come super ass slow, you have to work your ass off to get stronger..and you need super calories to do that. Sugar rules !</div>
Pork may be the "other" white meat, but sugar is the "other" white powder
Have to agree there. I sure didn't eat a lot of it when I was cutting (and still don't), but a couple of tablespoons of pure honey about 1/2 hour b/4 training time usually gives me a great jolt for my training, and no doubt helped me hit a few PRs that I otherwise wouldn't have gotten.
stevejones
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YEAH, BABIES ! I'm finally getting some healing going on
To help people with rotator cuff problems:
Before you start a rc regimen, get certain what your problem is. Do you have a weak serratus anterior? Is your infrispinatus screwed up? Tear in your teres minor? Is your supraspinatus whacked? What's the problem? Find out by doing research on the internet, or go see a specialist.
For a long time I had been whining about my screwed up RC and how it wasn't getting any better. I had done RC work in the past and it had greatly improved my bench press and made my shoulders feel better, but I screwed it up again and this time things were not getting any better. I had been doing all kinds of RC work, face pulls, elevated pushups, etc. and nothing was working.
My problem is that this time my supraspinatus was screwed up, and all of the rc exercises I had been doing were mostly working the infraspinatus and teres minor. My supraspinatus wasn't getting enough work. I began doing an exercise is greatly helping me, and I wish I hadn't ignored it for so long ----
http://www.pamf.org/sports/king/shoulder.html (see exercise for the supraspinatus)
The 7 MINUTE ROTATOR CUFF SOLUTION manual strongly advises AGAINST doing this exercise. It's dangerous, and can cause impingement if you go too high. Nevertheless, I decided to start doing it because nothing else was working. I've been at it a little over 2 weeks and the results are outstanding. I"m getting much better. I am careful not to go above shoulder level and use light 5 lb dumbbells for 3 sets of 20.
The best way to test to see if your RC problem is specific to your supraspinatus is to raise your arms out to your sides, parallel to the ground while your elbow is locked, and keep your thumb pointed toward the ground. Does it hurt? If not, your supraspinatus is probably fine. When I do that it still hurts like a mofo, but it's getting better.
To help people with rotator cuff problems:
Before you start a rc regimen, get certain what your problem is. Do you have a weak serratus anterior? Is your infrispinatus screwed up? Tear in your teres minor? Is your supraspinatus whacked? What's the problem? Find out by doing research on the internet, or go see a specialist.
For a long time I had been whining about my screwed up RC and how it wasn't getting any better. I had done RC work in the past and it had greatly improved my bench press and made my shoulders feel better, but I screwed it up again and this time things were not getting any better. I had been doing all kinds of RC work, face pulls, elevated pushups, etc. and nothing was working.
My problem is that this time my supraspinatus was screwed up, and all of the rc exercises I had been doing were mostly working the infraspinatus and teres minor. My supraspinatus wasn't getting enough work. I began doing an exercise is greatly helping me, and I wish I hadn't ignored it for so long ----
http://www.pamf.org/sports/king/shoulder.html (see exercise for the supraspinatus)
The 7 MINUTE ROTATOR CUFF SOLUTION manual strongly advises AGAINST doing this exercise. It's dangerous, and can cause impingement if you go too high. Nevertheless, I decided to start doing it because nothing else was working. I've been at it a little over 2 weeks and the results are outstanding. I"m getting much better. I am careful not to go above shoulder level and use light 5 lb dumbbells for 3 sets of 20.
The best way to test to see if your RC problem is specific to your supraspinatus is to raise your arms out to your sides, parallel to the ground while your elbow is locked, and keep your thumb pointed toward the ground. Does it hurt? If not, your supraspinatus is probably fine. When I do that it still hurts like a mofo, but it's getting better.
stevejones
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(quadancer @ Aug. 10 2007,21:58)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I can't even raise my arm that high at all. Hurts like hell.</div>
Yep, it's whacked. At least you know what your problem is. Give the exercise a try. Just go up about 40 degrees, or if that's too high, then go as high as you can. Do high repetitions, about 20 per set. Go slow and controlled. Give it time.
(quadancer @ Aug. 10 2007,21:58)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I can't even raise my arm that high at all. Hurts like hell.</div>
Yep, it's whacked. At least you know what your problem is. Give the exercise a try. Just go up about 40 degrees, or if that's too high, then go as high as you can. Do high repetitions, about 20 per set. Go slow and controlled. Give it time.
Joe.Muscle
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Hope you are doing well Steve!