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first forgive me for my pathetic english, i will try to explain myself as best as i could :)
i made a couple HST cycles with good results and know that it is the way to go..
and i am thinking to make things a little bit more exciting... lets say doing a triple split, training everyday three times; 10-15 sets for each muscle group per training session along with some cardio... training three times a day would enable me to handle that much volume i think... and of course all this would be with a perfect dicipline in diet!
as supplements i will use creatine, tribulus, and arginine...
any critics would reaaly help me to re establish my routine, thanks for all the advice
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Quote[/b] (Old and Grey @ April 29 2005,5:39)]I suggest 3 grams of Testosterone per week and about 10,000 calories per day.    
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    That's a lot of volume.     :confused:
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O&G; if i remember right u too have trained with an everyday protocol hitting every bodypart in 24 hours, and u have stated that u had made your best gains in that period, right?!
the problem is training all body parts in a single workout leaves u too much depleted both mentally and physically! so in order to avoid this i think training three times a day with a triple split would enable me to train more effectivelly.
in an other threat vicious too had said he used as much as 12 times a week training protocol, if i remember right. and increased frequency is one of the reasons that makes HST more effective, right? then why shouldnt we increase our frequency as much as we can handle?! after all it is not necessary to consume 10000+ calories and 3000 mg testo to do this, anyway thanks for all the info
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My only problem with this kind of approach is that, once you've done it, and your body adapts to it .... then what? Once your body has dealt with 15 sets per day for each muscle group, you are never going to be able to return to 2 or 3 sets, 3 times per week and expect growth. Not unless you are planning a 3 month long SD, maybe. So, if you are going to jump into that much volume, ..... umm .... get used to it.
 
the more the muscle is under tension, the more the muscle grows.. it is just a question of how much u can handle...
so.. if i can do that i will grow more, but if i cant, i will cut back, that's it.. of course that means aplying all the principles of HST.. and of course if i cant progressively increase my weights in that training regimen, i will cut back on volume..
long ago i was too much afraid of overtraining, now i do not believe in it... if i do not train to failure it wont hurt me. even so i can train through failure for two weeks, well in this case for a week at least.
i will try it, and share my experience with u later, thanks
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"training everyday three times; 10-15 sets for each muscle group per training session along with some cardio... training three times a day would enable me to handle that much volume"

Let's say there are 6 distinct body parts. That is a minimum of 60 sets per day. Everday means that is 420 sets per week, at a minimum. That would take about 20 hours of training per week or 3 hours per day!
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Nobody can handle that and grow!

I agree with twice a day training. I recomend it. I do it. But I still keep my total number of sets for the whole week in the area of 50 sets. Not 420! Added frequency does not translate to being able to handle added volume.

However, I think it is great to experiment and I look forward to hearing your results.
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By the way, your english is excellent.
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well, if u want something badly (cuts) time is not a problem..
thanks O&G
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but i do not expect to grow, but to burn as much calories as possible, and if i grow it wont hurt me either :D
For me low calorie diets are more demanding than doing merely more sets.. so my calories wont be too low, even so i may increase depending how i feel.. the object here is to stimulate the whole body to burn more calories, increasing the totall blood flow, maxing the metabolism by training three times a day...
there are many bodybuilders training around three hours a day in a single session everyday.. they are big and defined.. i may not be as massive as they do but certainly, if i be carefull enough avoiding a bunout, i may benefit the accelerated metabolic advantage..
 
that's awful logic. Given your reliance on tribulus and arginine (!), I question your ability to have "perfect discipline" in your diet.

Not to mention that if your goal is only to burn more calories, this is probably the worst way in the world to do it, because there are ways to burn more calories without grinding away your joints and severely overtraining yourself.
 
Agreed.  I thought you were doing this to grow, not to lose fat.  It seems awfully extreme and your chances of hurting yourself are pretty high.  Be careful.  

Having said that, I am curious as to how your body will respond.  So, please do share with us what happens to you. ;)
 
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Quote[/b] (BoSox @ April 30 2005,3:55)]that's awful logic.  Given your reliance on tribulus and arginine (!), I question your ability to have "perfect discipline" in your diet.
Not to mention that if your goal is only to burn more calories, this is probably the worst way in the world to do it, because there are ways to burn more calories without grinding away your joints and severely overtraining yourself.
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i think thats not that awful, think about it, what happens if u deplete your glycogen stores in your muscles?! first the carbs u eat wont be turned into fat, and also the low blood sugar levels would encourage the body to use fats, when not training, more effectively.
and to say the truth i havent used any supplements before, so i just wanted to experiment. woul it hurt? no.. creatine, tribulus and arginine may work or not, it doesnt matter. bosox, i assure u, i know nutrition as good as u know.
and what are the other ways? cardio?! do too much and burn your muscles, dropping your testosterone levels.. evidence? look at long distance runners, u will get what i mean and dont show me AAS users, they are completely another story. diet?! reducing the calories too far would also leave u with catabolic hormones.. and say bye to your hard earned muscles...
that doesnt mean i dont diet or have no cardio in my training, it is just i stress on doing more sets and increasing frequency.
by the way, it is the second day and i feel great
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three straight days.
and i have gained 1-1,5 cm in my arms!
so it works, but i feel depleted, maybe just mentally.
i will rest for one day, and continiue..
 
well, I guess that all makes sense if you drastically oversimplify and ignore common sense. But hey, if somehow it works, that's the point, so keep it up.

But I'll tell you, there are much more effective ways to drop bodyfat.
 
Usually when you "feel depleted" that is a sign that you are getting close to overtraining. Be careful.

Also, remember that the short term gains are typically just water and carb storage, but if you can hold on to them after your cycle, who cares?
 
Just my two cents.

There seems to be something lacking in your design.

1. As Semajes said, what happens when you have become conditioned to this frequency?
2. If you are trying to cut via glycogen depletion, that's all well and good, but there are better ways that are less taxing on the peripheral and central nervous system.
3. Your assumptions on Hormone levels are based on extreme endurance enthusiasts and even your planned 3X day routine will impact your hormones. So just keep in mind even while avoiding failure there will still be an impact on your hormone levels.
4. Elite BB who train 3 hours plus per day are on AAS and it is relevant, otherwise they would have burned out long ago.
5. As mentioned above this type of frequency even while avoiding failure will have an impact on your CNS, you will have to monitor it closely to avoid burn out, over reaching and over training (which is real BTW), especially if trying to cut, since you will more than likely be keeping your calories at maintenance or below.
 
3x-a-day is practical only if you're working on a pet bodypart. Even then, we're probably talking something like calves, biceps, and/or progressive pulsing with your lady friend.

Anyhoo . . . I say, go with God. ;) Conventional wisdom says that you'll be in systemic overtraining hell within a week or so, but then again, I'm not you. If it doesn't work for you, then you'll never do it again. And if it does, well by God, I'm glad I'm not your lady friend. :D

Make sure to eat plenty of protein, aggressivelly attack carbs post-WO, and up your anti-inflammatory supplements/medicine.

cheers,
Jules
 
diabolicxx

I couldn't help but laugh it out with all the answers you got
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Some guys are really funny (Vicious - excellent one).

Now let us get serious, the whole point of HST is not to overdo or burnout your CNS, the way you want to go will definitely get you there, and very quick if I may add.

It would be somewhat different if you were on roids, but you say you are not!

The best way you could do that would perhaps be with an initial weeks rest for starters, until you start upping the poundage, then you would have to extend that as your would soon burn out and that is not what HST is all about.

The guys who use split training at best use twice per day training, but then rest the required time 36-48 hours, and I already think that is a little too much, but with the right nutrition and available time it is possible I guess
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Anyway, "boet" good luck if you want to go that way, but if you want advice, and we give it free of charge, then when you change your mind we will be here
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I must say I admire your motivation, but in practice it is all a little tooo much.

Fausto
 
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