Once a day with heavy weights

Wow.

First of all, you need to post a diary on U-Tube as you do this...it will be like chronicaling a meth amphetamine junkee.  First, your body will start to rebel.  As overtraining sets in, the nights will become sleepless.  As you're deprived of sleep, paranoia will begin to eat away at your psyche, causing Tourette's-like outbursts while at work...or school...or in intimate situations with your significant other.

Please, oh, please make a video diary of this experience.  I'll pay to see it.

Seriously, here's as close as I've ever come to destroying myself in the fashion you've described.  I had a crude home gym about 8 years ago, so I would literally do 5 reps of bench, leg extension, pulldowns, dips, and deadlifts.  

I did loads much in the way that you've ascribed to, though not exactly...whatever my 5-rep max happened to be.  I would train with weights that I could do five times, but was pretty darn sure failure would hit by the 6th rep.

And I did it 6 days per week.

After two weeks of this, I became noticably weaker...and smaller...with less stamina, to boot.  After a full month, I tossed it aside in the crap pile as an experiment gone horribly wrong.

Martin wrote:
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I am concerned with fuel (glycogen) capacity and consumption and replenishment rates. I want to avoid running out of fuel during a workout especially since I will be working out more frequently. I'm also concerned with CNS load and recovery.</div>

Um, okay...so, are you interested in getting bigger?  Getting stronger?  Getting leaner?  Athletic performance?  It's not clear in any of your posts, and that makes a difference...a HUGE difference, really.

Anyhoo, I've shared my experience, which is kinda sorta what you asked for.
 
All I have to say is &quot;good luck!&quot;

All these guys took time out of their day to give you some very good advice and you just blow it off as usless information.

You really need to give some background. How long have you actually been lifting? What are your goals?
 
It is obvious from the replies I already got that it would be a futile experiment to give any background whatsoever. It would simply be judged and discarded. Tough. You are free to give your opinion, but that's not what I asked. I asked for personal experience of the same type of program. I got two so far. As I read it again, I realise that none of you have any idea about fuel capacity, consumption and replenishement rates. Furthermore, none of you appear to understand what happens when you run out of fuel.

If you will take a moment. When you run out of fuel, in this case we're talking about gycogen, cortisol is released to metabolise muscle and use that as a source of fuel. As a result, the muscles atrophy. It is for that reason that I'm concerned with fuel capacity, consumption and replenishement rates. It is also for this reason that I ask for personal experience in this matter, I want to see what others have done to make it succeed. Apparently, none of you have had any success.

scientific muscle, the study you linked to has very obvious results. I could have told you that doing the same thing twice as often gets me fatigued twice as fast. Certainly, a study that shows exactly that only proves that and nothing else. It would not prove, for instance, that doing half but twice as often gets me more fatigued. That's to be proven with a different study. If I understand how scientific research works, I'd say they simply doubled the number of workouts in that study to make sure they would only change one variable. Otherwise, they'd have skewed the results with unwanted data. After all, they did not want to find a method to work out twice as often successfully, they only wanted to prove what working out twice as often was bad for us. And they did.

Now that I think about what you've all been saying about my proposed workout, I understand why you'd say that it would kill my strength. But I don't understand why you'd say it would kill my strength only then and not with any other kind of training. Losing strength after working out is normal and to be expected. I call it the fitness level and I'm sure many others call it the same. It drops according to the effort given. The heavier the effort, the lower it drops. Nothing new here but thanks for the heads up anyway.

I outline it again. The big three. Once a day, every day, heavy weights. Half of normal volume to allow for double frequency. Seesaw load progression.

If any of you have done something like that, I would gladly read your experience with it. Please include details such as workout duration, rep scheme, etc.

I will make up my own mind. After all, I trust myself more than any of you.
 
I remember that Dan posted a study somewhere in this forum saying that working 3 times a week is better than more frequently on PS
... but don't know where it is exactly, sorry
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Ok, so tell me if you AGREE with this.

That by using heavy weights, by your personal strength standard, you should only be able to get more or less 5 solid reps in. I think 99% of the people on this board can attest to that. Because, if you could do more, such as around 10 reps, then it isn't &quot;heavy weight&quot; for your strength.

So you want to cut the volume in half? So even working with THREE sets of 5, which most people probably only do two working sets in their 5's, you would be doing 1.5 sets of 5 reps everyday... which obviously equates to about 7 reps, everyday, heavy weight, big three. Which means your daily workout would consist of around 21 total reps. If that, Mr. Levac, is your formula for hypertrophy, then go for it.

So there, you have your rep scheme. Now go post us a log, even some before and after pictures. All of this effort I've put into this thread I'd love to see how it turns out
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Hmmm. Martin, something to think about:

For full recruitment you could do a single rep with around your 6RM load (about 85% of your 1RM) and over. You could then do a cycle where you increment the load each week over the course of several weeks until you are doing 1 rep with your 1RM for each exercise.

If you just do 1 rep of each exercise each day of the week you will have absolutely minimised fatigue for that frequency. But will you have stimulated an adaptation? If you were new to training then perhaps you might for a while. However, for a conditioned athlete that just wouldn't work. Try it and see. And if you say, &quot;But I'm not going to be doing just one rep for each exercise&quot; then ask yourself, &quot;Why not?&quot;

This is an interesting thread and worth a read:

Multiple sets important?

In it Mikeynov says this:

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Example: if you need, say, X load by Y total reps to induce an adaptation, doing X load for Y reps once a week will be more valuable than doing (x load by Y reps) / 3, three times a week.

Because it'd be better to stimulate growth infrequently than to NEVER stimulate growth.

Volume has to matter, and there is nothing special about a &quot;set.&quot;  It just represents loading at a certain volume within a certain timeframe.</div>

It certainly seems to be the case that there is a 'here and now' minimum amount of volume required to elicit a growth response. If you try what you are suggesting it will be interesting to find out how you get on so please do start a log.

No one here wants to gloat over you results. On the contrary, it's always really interesting to see how certain methods/tweaks and ideas actually pan out in practice. Keep us posted and all the best.
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It sounds like you are going to do this no matter what kind of personal experience anyone here would post. So I don't really understand why you even started this thread.

As stated in Lol's post that mentions mikeynov's other posts, there is a required amount of volume to cause growth to occur. I would bet that what you are proposing will cause very minimal growth and won't last for very long. And I doubt that you will get much stronger either which will also limit your growth.

And I don't understand why you say.....

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">It is obvious from the replies I already got that it would be a futile experiment to give any background whatsoever. It would simply be judged and discarded.</div>

You obviously haven't done much reading here if that is what you think of this group of lifters.
 
Perhaps the lighter weights have begun to feel too light because I've been doing each rep with m-time? Who knows why but I know that m-time serves its intended purpose, as I've found out. Simply put, it has allowed me to lift much heavier than otherwise and progress further than otherwise as well. Because of that, I speculate that I have progressed further than I would have if I had done regular sets instead. I only speculate because I haven't done any regular set with the heavy weights I've progressed to since the middle of last month. I decided back then to do them with m-time when I got to the point where I could not do even two reps under continuous load without any risk.

I'm sure some of you have tried m-time and can attest to its validity at least with regards to strength.

I can go back to regular sets under continuous load for lighter weights. That would suit my purpose. But it's a delicate matter of determining when to go with m-time as the load progresses.

Thinking out loud.
 
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">It is obvious from the replies I already got that it would be a futile experiment to give any background whatsoever. It would simply be judged and discarded. Tough.</div>

Very poor reasoning for an HST'er
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This forum has a community and an attitude of helping each other out, of course, faced with stubborness and lack of reasoning some members tend to get on their back foot, as you say tough!
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You'd be better off trying to read up on available information, and the Strength Training forum may have more closely relatyed information than this one, as this should be strictly HST.

<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">You are free to give your opinion, but that's not what I asked. I asked for personal experience of the same type of program. I got two so far.</div>

And we did. But I doubt it whether any of the experienced guys would be silly enough to embark onto something that would obviously sap their strength and gains.

We believe in quality training therefore avoiding burnout, lack of gains, and overall non productive type work outs.

Even using m-time as you put it, it would be futile.

And there's no one here better than Sci or Dan to take you through it as it should be used.
 
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(Martin Levac @ May 23 2007,03:04)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I've become stronger since I began in march. I feel like the light weights are doing little for me at this time. I want to go with heavy weights and progress the load in a seesaw fashion. Since the weight is heavy, it does two things: Higher recruitment percentage and higher CNS load. But it is my understanding that it also stimulates a little bit more growth than lighter weights. I want to do the big three once a day, every day. The way I see it, I don't need to do as much as with lighter weights so I could do 5-10 reps.

So my question is, have any of you done heavy weights once a day everyday and if so, what are the details such as workout duration, number of exercises, number of reps, etc? And how long did you keep it up, a month, two, more?

I am concerned with fuel (glycogen) capacity and consumption and replenishment rates. I want to avoid running out of fuel during a workout especially since I will be working out more frequently. I'm also concerned with CNS load and recovery.

Thank you.</div>
if i am understanding this you are going to do
squat 1x10
deadlift 1x10
bench 1x10
with your 10rm every day, if thats the case how are you going to progress the weights.
or are you going to do this 1x10 1x9 1x8 1x7 1x6 1x5 every week on each lift.

you say you are going to seesaw the progression do you mean like this
mon 1x10 with 10rm
tue 1x10 with 15rm
wed 1x10 with 10rm
thu 1x10 with 15rm
basicly heavy day light day as powerlifters do.

as far as worrying about cortisol release there is no need if your only doing 3 sets total you should be out of the gym in 15mins,cortisol normaly takes about 45 mins or longer the more conditioned you are.

i have trained everday doing fullbody but different exercises ie squat mon,leg-press tue, etc i stared on 80% of my 15rm and went from 15s to 5s over 8wks.

what you are suggesting &quot;30reps total IMO is not enough work.

thats if i am understanding correctly.
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(Martin Levac @ May 24 2007,02:06)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Perhaps the lighter weights have begun to feel too light because I've been doing each rep with m-time? Who knows why but I know that m-time serves its intended purpose, as I've found out. Simply put, it has allowed me to lift much heavier than otherwise and progress further than otherwise as well. Because of that, I speculate that I have progressed further than I would have if I had done regular sets instead. I only speculate because I haven't done any regular set with the heavy weights I've progressed to since the middle of last month. I decided back then to do them with m-time when I got to the point where I could not do even two reps under continuous load without any risk.

I'm sure some of you have tried m-time and can attest to its validity at least with regards to strength.

I can go back to regular sets under continuous load for lighter weights. That would suit my purpose. But it's a delicate matter of determining when to go with m-time as the load progresses.

Thinking out loud.</div>
Or, perhaps they lighter weights are feeling too light because... you've gotten stronger! If working out regularly, the first six months are the best in light of seeing quick results in strength. Using MS or not, if you have been using light weights for months now, you should find your 1RM for your lifts to see where you are at. Then, see what percent you HAVE been lifting at with these light weights.
 
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