Fat intake while bulking

Discussion in 'Diet & Nutrition' started by OneMoreRep, Dec 7, 2004.

  1. BoSox

    BoSox New Member

    just because you can't "feel" it after a couple of weeks to a couple of months doesn't mean it isn't helping. If there's anything we know about hypertrophy, "feel" isn't a good way to go about it.

    A pound of fat contains about 3500 calories. Try adding that with 500 calories, or 1000 calories or 1500 calories. Math is fun, isn't it?
  2. Zack

    Zack New Member

    I like a tablespoon of flax oil everyday.

    Cheap and also promotes good health.

  3. Tom Treutlein

    Tom Treutlein New Member

    BoSox, it has nothing to do with hypertrophy. I don't see any of the proclaimed health benefits of any of the O3's, be it ALA, DHA or EPA, having any significant effect, if any at all! I think the stuff is a bit overrated, and Bryan's rating of 3-4 grams is a bit up there, and I see no significant backing as to why he says that much. If you look around online you can find that there is a government-based RDA for EPA/DHA consumption, and all other sites recommend amounts half the amount Bryan does or lower.

    Yeah, math is fun. And? Don't patronize me. Calories mean something to an extent. They're not all there is to it. Go eat 3000 calories of M&Ms and then 3000 clean calories. Or if 3000 doesn't work, eat something below maintenance. I doubt you'll stay the same weight or even drop.
  4. BoSox

    BoSox New Member

    last time I checked, the FDA was recommending like 50g of protein too. The FDA is not a good bulking strategy [​IMG]

    that's the thing though. Calories do count. And they are the bulk of what counts. Ruling out any extremes, calories in vs calories out are the most important part, especially if we aren't talking about someone with insanely low body fat levels. For most people, they should mainly be concerned with calories in vs. calories out, unless they are eating nothing but M&M's.
  5. Tyler_K

    Tyler_K New Member

    Settle down.??? I was merely posing a question. The ice cream fit into my calories for the day.

    Once protein was adequate, which it was, and EFAs were covered, which they were, why not have 500 calories of ice cream? I don't think it makes a difference as long as calories are the same and the above are met.
  6. Tyler_K

    Tyler_K New Member

    So you see no real difference between...

    3500 (a hypercaloric situation) calories broken down into the following:

    Situation 1:

    PRO: 200g
    CHO: 550g
    FAT: 55g

    Situation 2:

    PRO: 200g
    CHO: 250g
    FAT: 189g

    Situation 3:

    PRO: 200g
    CHO: 100g
    FAT: 255g

    My main concern is that while being hypercaloric and meeting energy needs from carbs, fat will be stored at an accelerated rate. If this effect is indeed minimal, I personally like situation 2.

  7. Aaron_F

    Aaron_F New Member

    You realise the difference between nutrients and drugs dont you?
    you will never FEEL any difference from LCPUFA, that is not their modus operandi
    any health effect is a long term effect (except perhaps their anti-thrombogenic action) but you will never really notice this.
  8. Aaron_F

    Aaron_F New Member

    you complain about people nitpicking but bring up this?

    medium (and short to an extent) chain fatty acids will actually cause less fat gain to an extent (but usually only in the short term)
    There is a couple of reasons for this, one the actual caloric quantity in short chain fatty acids is less / g. The 9kcal/g is a generic quantity, but it varies.
    The disgestion of the short/medium chains are also different, as they can disperse across the bilayers without the need for the carrier proteins, they can also travel straight into the mitochondira without any assistance. Therefore the energetic cost of their metabolism is actually less as well. But, the difference between the fatty acids is minimal within an overall diet. Short term supplementation with medium chain saturates will increase caloric expenditure in the short term. the body will adapt and adjust the changes out of the way anyway.
  9. Aaron_F

    Aaron_F New Member

    the FDA do not provide nutritional guidelines/RDA's :D
  10. Aaron_F

    Aaron_F New Member

    this piece of research didnt really provide much at all

    but the most important piece in it is this

    "The loss of fat mass in both groups was significant (p < 0.05)
    but the difference between the groups was not (p = 0.472)"


    I have got other papers that show that n-3 fatty acid supplementation increases metabolic rate, but they are talking potentially 100kcals/day, and the absolute lack of long term measurement doesnt really tell us if the change is short term until adaptation takes place.
    I have also seen some murine models that show that hydrogenated fats decrease fatty acid deposition :D
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