nkl's training log

More backlog.

2008-11-12:
Weight: 69,6 kg (153,0 lbs) (+0,0 kg [0,1 lbs] from yesterday) (+0,0 kg [0,1 lbs] from start, 84 days ago)
Routine: Extended recovery
Energy expenditure: 2156 kcal (BMR: 1610 kcal; Activities: 285 kcal; TEM: 260 kcal)
Energy intake: 2212 kcal (+57 kcal)
Macros: 32% (150g) P; 35% (184g) C; 33% (78g) F
 
2008-11-13:
Weight: 69,5 kg (152,9 lbs) (0,0 kg [-0,1 lbs] from yesterday) (+0,0 kg [0,0 lbs] from start, 85 days ago)
Routine: 5x5 B (Core 4x5: Squat, Press, Deads; Aux 3x5: Chins, <s>Dips</s>, Abs)
Energy expenditure: 2688 kcal (BMR: 1477 kcal; Activities: 790 kcal; TEM: 421 kcal)
Energy intake: 2820 kcal (+132 kcal)
Macros: 49% (292g) P; 30% (198g) C; 22% (65g) F

Back in the gym.  
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 Protein is back on the meny with a vengeance - and fat is thrown out.
 
2008-11-14:
Weight: 70,4 kg (154,9 lbs) (+0,9 kg [2,0 lbs] from yesterday) (+0,9 kg [2,0 lbs] from start, 86 days ago)
Routine: Recovery
Energy expenditure: 2525 kcal (BMR: 1477 kcal; Activities: 650 kcal; TEM: 398 kcal)
Energy intake: 2548 kcal (+23 kcal)
Macros: 52% (283g) P; 23% (140g) C; 25% (67g) F

High protein, low fat.

My body composition program is running smoothly. Now is time to test its power of prediction.

It says: High protien (290+ g), low fat (60 g), medium cho (EOD 210/90 g), with 3 days of EOD PSMF every 21 days (24 day cycles). Then, it predicts, I will gain 8 kg LBM and loose 3 kg fat in one year. Sounds great! Suprisingly enough not a caloric surplus, but a deficit of 20,000 kcals! Magic! It's actually all about protein retention in order to build and keep LBM. Keep ahead of oxidation and GNG. To the test then! Is simulation a safe bet? We will see.
 
As usual I'm totally lost but intrigued! God that protein is high. lol. what are you doing!

I'm finally gaining steadily, but man its showing. Pecs and rhomboids are thickening with a vengeance, but its entirely matched by abdominal flab. yuck. the 2 week cut is coming.
 
2008-11-15:
Weight: 70,0 kg (154,0 lbs) (-0,4 kg [-0,9 lbs] from yesterday) (+0,5 kg [1,1 lbs] from start, 87 days ago)
Routine: Recovery
Energy expenditure: 2625 kcal (BMR: 1477 kcal; Activities: 760 kcal; TEM: 388 kcal)
Energy intake: 2495 kcal (-131 kcal)
Macros: 52% (276g) P; 23% (137g) C; 25% (66g) F
 
2008-11-16:
Weight: 69,5 kg (152,9 lbs) (-0,5 kg [-1,1 lbs] from yesterday) (+0,0 kg [0,0 lbs] from start, 88 days ago)
Routine: Recovery
Energy expenditure: 2286 kcal (BMR: 1477 kcal; Activities: 500 kcal; TEM: 309 kcal)
Energy intake: 2076 kcal (-210 kcal)
Macros: 46% (203g) P; 36% (177g) C; 18% (40g) F

I rewrote parts of the program to be able to test run my data from the first cycle, and to my surprise the program spat out my weight curve using only my daily macronutrient intake, physical expenditure and my baseline values (initial BF%, weight, pred. protein) as input. A very good fit! I was also surprised as to what body composition it spat out. It told me the most of my gains were LBM during my first month! LBM is part water and glycogen so that was fair. The protein curve was close to my predicted LBM curve (based on protein data) from my graphs previously posted (I'll get back to them soon). Only during my second week, when the caloric intake was way high did I gain BF from DNL. Because I kept fat intake low, I didin't gain any BF from fat intake. But in the end, when I did my SD, I lost nearly all my newly gained LBM (not all), due to the fact that I miscalculated my maintenance. All in all, what I believed was true.

For the program to do its job properly, I had to adjust the baseline parameter (I was supposed to) and then I rewrote the rutines on EOD and long term bulking/cutting periodization. I got some new numbers on my future endavour, but only the carbs needed adjustment: instead of EOD 210/90 g I'll go for 330/240 g. I can't gain as much LBM (7.5 kg) and loose as much fat (-1.80 kg), but I take what I can.
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The down side to it, is seeing my miserable progress this cycle - injuries and bad choices of foods got me stalling on the LBM side and gaining on th BF side (arghh!). Time to remedy this!! Bugger! I was right from the start... Well, you always learn something...
 
2008-11-17:
Weight: 69,6 kg (153,1 lbs) (+0,1 kg [0,2 lbs] from yesterday) (+0,1 kg [0,2 lbs] from start, 89 days ago)
Routine: 5x5 C (Core: 4x5,3x3,1x18: Squat, Bench, Row; Aux 3x5: Curls, Tri-Ext, Wrist)
Energy expenditure: 3046 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 940 kcal; TEM: 470 kcal)
Energy intake: 3486 kcal (+440 kcal)
Macros: 40% (294g) P; 41% (342g) C; 19% (70g) F

Surprise for me - I usually do assisted chinups on a machine with a lever, but recently I bought a chin up bar for home use. I thought, well I can try to see if I can do body weight chin-up, and... well it was not that hard. Got off five at my first attempt. So no more &quot;help&quot; on the way up.

Another note - I started my eat-to-grow proper bulking diet. Burp!  
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Gotta catch up with my goals...
 
nkl

from some chatting about fructose at BR, i'm starting to think its not all that bad?

a study was posted that seems to show no difference in fat storage vs other carb sources while in a surplus...

and Lyle threw out a few comments about studies using rats being very poor models for humans, not too mentioned absurd parameters used in those studies (a diet consisting of 60% fructose for months at a time)

and his advocacy of a lower fructose carb load on UD2.0 seems to be more about poor replenishment of muscle glycogen, NOT inordinate and thermodynamically absurd fat gain...

what do you think nkl?

do you have a quantitative limit for fructose intake that you find reasonable?

and further, do you have concrete reasons for limiting this in the first place?
 
Here is a good read: Follow this link. I found it to be educating.

Here is a reference for more on this (full text is free - and a very good read):
<div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"> Am J Clin Nutr. 2002 Nov;76(5):911-22. Links

Comment in:
Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Oct;78(4):804-5; author reply 805-6.
Fructose, weight gain, and the insulin resistance syndrome.Elliott SS, Keim NL, Stern JS, Teff K, Havel PJ.
Department of Nutrition, University of California, Davis 95616, USA.

This review explores whether fructose consumption might be a contributing factor to the development of obesity and the accompanying metabolic abnormalities observed in the insulin resistance syndrome. The per capita disappearance data for fructose from the combined consumption of sucrose and high-fructose corn syrup have increased by 26%, from 64 g/d in 1970 to 81 g/d in 1997. Both plasma insulin and leptin act in the central nervous system in the long-term regulation of energy homeostasis. Because fructose does not stimulate insulin secretion from pancreatic beta cells, the consumption of foods and beverages containing fructose produces smaller postprandial insulin excursions than does consumption of glucose-containing carbohydrate. Because leptin production is regulated by insulin responses to meals, fructose consumption also reduces circulating leptin concentrations. The combined effects of lowered circulating leptin and insulin in individuals who consume diets that are high in dietary fructose could therefore increase the likelihood of weight gain and its associated metabolic sequelae. In addition, fructose, compared with glucose, is preferentially metabolized to lipid in the liver. Fructose consumption induces insulin resistance, impaired glucose tolerance, hyperinsulinemia, hypertriacylglycerolemia, and hypertension in animal models. The data in humans are less clear. Although there are existing data on the metabolic and endocrine effects of dietary fructose that suggest that increased consumption of fructose may be detrimental in terms of body weight and adiposity and the metabolic indexes associated with the insulin resistance syndrome, much more research is needed to fully understand the metabolic effect of dietary fructose in humans.

PMID: 12399260 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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This is not to say we become instantly fatter when eating fructose, but I think that when we are fully carb-loaded additional fructose will only lead to more fat. As my simulation software (and from researchers discussions) the amount of fat in diet directly affect the long term fat mass level. DNL becomes an issue at very high carb intake. Fructose is a good sugar when we are braking a fast, for example as part of a breakfast, when liver glycogen is low. For me, I think that 70-80 grams of fructose at this point is max (liver capacity to store glycogen). At any other point, when we have feasted on other carbs...

Post workout is not the time for slow carbs like fructose - it stays in the liver - we need monosaccarides at that time. At all other times stick to starchy, low glycemic carbs.

I have not visited BR.com for a while... I guess there are more data available today on the effects of fructose but I do not think any new data would alter the metabolic pathway, or anything.

For anyone who cares, here's some stats...

2008-11-18:
Weight: 70,4 kg (154,9 lbs) (+0,8 kg [1,8 lbs] from yesterday) (+0,9 kg [2,0 lbs] from start, 90 days ago)
Routine: Recovery
Energy expenditure: 2684 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 610 kcal; TEM: 439 kcal)
Energy intake: 2948 kcal (+264 kcal)
Macros: 46% (288g) P; 35% (248g) C; 19% (59g) F
 
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(nkl @ Nov. 17 2008,3:44)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Another note - I started my eat-to-grow proper bulking diet. Burp!  
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Roast beef and lotsa spaghetti...!

Bulking is way more fun than cutting...
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(TunnelRat @ Nov. 19 2008,6:13)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(nkl @ Nov. 17 2008,3:44)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Another note - I started my eat-to-grow proper bulking diet. Burp!  
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Gotta catch up with my goals...</div>
Roast beef and lotsa spaghetti...!

Bulking is way more fun than cutting...  
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How did you know what I had for lunch!?!  
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Although scheduled I didin't enter the gym today as I wasn't feeling well (a cold perhaps?). Forutunately I began to feel better at mid day. Will try to hit the gym tomorrow instead.

Stats show a rapid weight gain as expected (exploding my glycogen stores i I hope carb oxidation can keep up until I hit the gym tomorrow):

2008-11-19:
Weight: 70,8 kg (155,8 lbs) (+0,4 kg [0,9 lbs] from yesterday) (+1,3 kg [2,9 lbs] from start, 91 days ago)
Routine:  Recovery (you know why)
Energy expenditure: 2565 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 500 kcal; TEM: 429 kcal)
Energy intake: 2892 kcal (+328 kcal)
Macros: 47% (289g) P; 35% (241g) C; 18% (55g) F
 
2008-11-20:
Weight: 71,4 kg (157,1 lbs) (+0,6 kg [1,3 lbs] from yesterday) (+1,9 kg [4,2 lbs] from start, 92 days ago)
Routine: 5x5 B (Core 4x5: Squat, Press, Deads; Aux 3x5: Chins, Dips, Abs)
Energy expenditure: 3087 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 970 kcal; TEM: 481 kcal)
Energy intake: 3483 kcal (+397 kcal)
Macros: 40% (295g) P; 41% (341g) C; 19% (71g) F

Slightly pulled my lower back on my final work set of DLs (3x5) as form was beginning to get strained, but I think I can still manage. No DLs until wednesday next week. I have worked my way up to my 5RM maxes and will continue according to Bill Starr's/Madcow's 5x5 set up. To avoid fatigue in lower back, I'll ramp up the weight to a single top set for DLs, so that's a better way to stay clear of injuries (I think I have had enough of them this year).
 
2008-11-21:
Weight: 71,5 kg (157,3 lbs) (+0,1 kg [0,2 lbs] from yesterday) (+2,0 kg [4,4 lbs] from start, 93 days ago)
Routine: Recovery
Energy expenditure: 2704 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 630 kcal; TEM: 438 kcal)
Energy intake: 3147 kcal (+444 kcal)
Macros: 44% (293g) P; 32% (237g) C; 25% (82g) F

Back is ok. Keeping my calories up to grow and heal.
 
2008-11-22:
Weight: 71,3 kg (156,9 lbs) (-0,2 kg [-0,4 lbs] from yesterday) (+1,8 kg [4,0 lbs] from start, 94 days ago)
Routine: Recovery
Energy expenditure: 2448 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 480 kcal; TEM: 332 kcal)
Energy intake: 2421 kcal (-27 kcal)
Macros: 42% (218g) P; 28% (163g) C; 29% (75g) F

Missed a meal...
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2008-11-23:
Weight: 70,9 kg (156,0 lbs) (-0,4 kg [-0,9 lbs] from yesterday) (+1,4 kg [3,1 lbs] from start, 95 days ago)
Routine: Recovery
Energy expenditure: 2638 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 570 kcal; TEM: 433 kcal)
Energy intake: 2861 kcal (+223 kcal)
Macros: 48% (293g) P; 31% (211g) C; 21% (63g) F

It is soo hard to keep the fat low! One single chorizo sausage blows the whole thing up. But I'll try.

I implemented some minor changes into the simulator - I did a baseline run with BMI 22 values @ 12% BF for my height and age to get my initial protein and fat mass baseline. This should be the equilibrium state for protein mass. More proteins will cost more. Fat mass is not that simple. I'm not sure about these setpoints from where it is hard to shed fat mass. The simulator still spits out predictions that shows gains in lean body mass while loosing fat when protein is sufficiently high and fat is low. I cycle carbs.

I have rewritten the entire graphical presentation of data using a open source package called JFreeCharts so now there is nice graphs too. Yet I haven't implemented any training simulation to instantly burn off glycogen and increase protein retention, so that is still to come. As is MAXLBM that puts a limit to the LBM increases to my genetic maximum. More on the wishlist is insulin and GI funcions, and to have a more fine-grained time scale. And of course to clean out dirty coding.

Why do I do this, you might ask? Simple answer: Because it is interesting and fun! And because I don't want to do more mistakes, diet wise, that stalls my training and adds unwanted fat. Just need to follow the white rabbit.
 
Here is some updates:

2008-11-24:
Weight: 71,3 kg (156,9 lbs) (+0,4 kg [0,9 lbs] from yesterday) (+1,8 kg [4,0 lbs] from start, 96 days ago)
Routine: 5x5 C (Core: 4x5,3x3,1x18: Squat, Bench, Row; Aux 3x5: Curls, Tri-Ext, Wrist)
Energy expenditure: 2637 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 530 kcal; TEM: 472 kcal)
Energy intake: 3533 kcal (+896 kcal)
Macros: 39% (294g) P; 41% (342g) C; 20% (75g) F
 
2008-11-25:
Weight: 71,5 kg (157,3 lbs) (+0,2 kg [0,4 lbs] from yesterday) (+2,0 kg [4,4 lbs] from start, 97 days ago)
Routine: Recovery
Energy expenditure: 2357 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 265 kcal; TEM: 456 kcal)
Energy intake: 3075 kcal (+718 kcal)
Macros: 46% (300g) P; 35% (255g) C; 19% (63g) F
 
2008-11-26:
Weight: 71,4 kg (157,1 lbs) (-0,1 kg [-0,2 lbs] from yesterday) (+1,9 kg [4,2 lbs] from start, 98 days ago)
Routine: 5x5 C (Core: 4x5,3x3,1x18: Squat, Bench, Row; Aux 3x5: Curls, Tri-Ext, Wrist)
Energy expenditure: 2679 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 550 kcal; TEM: 494 kcal)
Energy intake: 3559 kcal (+880 kcal)
Macros: 42% (315g) P; 40% (341g) C; 18% (69g) F
 
2008-11-27:
Weight: 72,3 kg (159,1 lbs) (+0,9 kg [2,0 lbs] from yesterday) (+2,8 kg [6,2 lbs] from start, 99 days ago)
Routine: Recovery
Energy expenditure: 2521 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 440 kcal; TEM: 445 kcal)
Energy intake: 2985 kcal (+464 kcal)
Macros: 46% (295g) P; 34% (241g) C; 20% (62g) F
 
2008-11-28:
Weight: 72,3 kg (159,1 lbs) (+0,0 kg [0,0 lbs] from yesterday) (+2,8 kg [6,2 lbs] from start, 100 days ago)
Routine: 5x5 C (Core: 4x5,3x3,1x18: Squat, Bench, Row; Aux 3x5: Curls, Tri-Ext, Wrist)
Energy expenditure: 2934 kcal (BMR: 1636 kcal; Activities: 845 kcal; TEM: 453 kcal)
Energy intake: 3370 kcal (+436 kcal)
Macros: 40% (288g) P; 38% (307g) C; 22% (77g) F
 
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