Wife's weight loss, cholesterol plateau

Discussion in 'Diet & Nutrition' started by ksteensma, Mar 16, 2004.

  1. ksteensma

    ksteensma New Member

    Has anyone experienced this problem, or can offer some insight into this problem.
    42 yr old female
    5'-6", starting weight 190 lbs
    Began Atkins Dec. 15, 2003, along with Jane Fonda excercise, and daily 3 mile, 5mph walking.
    lost 23 pounds in the first 40 days, and has since plateau'ed.

    before after
    cholesterol 212 202
    HDL 38 36
    LDL 126 147
    Triglycerides 291 114
    VLDL 49 19

    Daily caloric intake 1100 to 1300 per day
    consisting of Atkins meal drink, tuna fish, meat and vegetables, cheese.
    Obviously LDL have risen, HDL down, cholesterol unchanged, and she is on pravachol 10mg. and Altace for bp. as needed.
    Bp just won't go down, though she is under alot of stress.
    Weight won't move anymore either.
    Can anyone help? She wants to continue the weight loss, but the blood results are not good.
    Thank you for any help. [​IMG]
  2. Andy741

    Andy741 New Member

    Getting a pet can reduce stress. Also, more and longer lasting sex can help. Anything that involves touch can increase oxytocin levels which help to normalize stress levels. Practice just touching and caressing eachother's skin for an hour a day. Try longlasting, gentle, lingering lip kisses. Green tea extract has been shown to reduce cholesterol too.
  3. thedrivethruguy

    thedrivethruguy New Member

    i'm only 19 so i can't offer exactly correct insight on a 42 year old woman, but as far as cholesterol is concerned, it may be the high sat. fat associated with atkins diet. In place of carbs, you have more protein/fats, and more specfically high protein sources that are atkins "approved" if you will are often animal, which has high sat. fat/cholesterol (cheese, red meat, etc.) This is nothing new, i'm not claiming its some theory i thought up, there was actually a big story on the news about it. I'm not a low carb guy, and so thats my opinion, eat more fruits/veggies/whole grains which most have fiber in them, no smoking (dont know if she does/doesnt), less alcohol (again, dont know). Also it seems that she may have lost it a little fast (approx 4 lbs a week) so maybe her body readjusted to the calorie restriction? Does she carbup/refeed anytime? Also a big one in my mind is does she incorporate weights into her w/o's? Tell her shes doing a good job on walking consisently, if i had the motivation to walk 3 miles a day every day i'd be much better off than where i am! Good luck, hope this helps.
  4. Cliner9er

    Cliner9er New Member

    As a whole the numbers have greatly improved. total/HDL ratio is improved, TG's are down (thanks to a keto diet), VLDL is down significantly (a greater risk for CAD than LDL's). May want to try some salt restriction. If that doesn't improve BP then she may just have a genetic predisposition for hypertension. A couple questions:
    Is she still overweight?
    Is she trying to restrict sodium? and/or increase fluid intake?
    Is she getting enough Magnesium?
  5. Bryan Haycock

    Bryan Haycock Administrator Staff Member

    Personally I hate statins. I feel they negatively effect muscle tissue.

    My question is, is she exercising? She must get at least 45 minutes of cardio 5 days per week.

    Also, weight lifting is proven to temporarily reduce cholesterol levels. Regular weight lifting keeps it down.

    I would also suggest getting off traditional Atkins, adding fish-oil supplements, CLA, and perhaps a garlic supplement.

    If she is currently not exercising, have her use HMB for the first 3-4 weeks as she starts a workout program.
  6. ksteensma

    ksteensma New Member

    Thanks everyone for the responses. Debby is overwieght by most standards by 20lbs yet. She is a nonsmoker, and no alcohol.
    Sodium intake is questionable due to the cheese she eats, tuna fish content, etc, we need to look closely at that.
    She constantly consumes water.
    Magnesium, I don't know.
    Help me to understand:
    What is each of those?
    Thanks everyone! Kevin [​IMG]
  7. spartacus

    spartacus New Member

    more important than the absolute sodium is the sodium:potassium ratio.
  8. KingProtein

    KingProtein New Member

    Statins: A class of cholesterol lowering prescription drugs.
    CLA: (Conjugated Linoleic Acid) A 'good' fat that is shown to have positive effects on body composition.
    HMB: A dietary supplement also shown to be beneficial in improving body composition.

    In the opinion of most, CLA and HMB have to be taken at above label rec's to have noticeable effects. At these doses they could get pricey.
  9. ksteensma

    ksteensma New Member

    What kind of ratio is desired?

    Debby's BP problems are high BP and what I feel is high pulse.
    Previous to diet/exercise program, pulse was 89-101 bpm. Now it is in the 85-90 bpm. These are at rest measurements. An improvement no doubt.
    Thanks everyone. Kevin [​IMG]
  10. Tom kristensen

    Tom kristensen New Member

    HDL 38 36

    Dont mind about those to points of decrease. It's nothing.

    LDL 126 147
    VLDL 49 19
    Total LDL 175 166

    So you actually got a decrease in LDL.

    Besides a minor deviation is common.
  11. spartacus

    spartacus New Member

    i don't know of the ideal ratio, but generally to improve bp you would like more potassium and less sodium. here is a link to a page iwth foods that are high in potassium. http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=90

    i think you can alos find salt that has both sodium and potassium so that might be useful too.
  12. ksteensma

    ksteensma New Member

    Thanks for the thread. the Atkins diet has some flaws such as encouraging high meat, cheese, dairy intakes. Cheese is huge in salt content, along with tuna fish, and the feeling that you can stop at Mcdonalds, and grab a burger or chicken, toss the bun, and loose weight. If you are a high BP person, these are all not good, but you get seduced into the mind set its all o.k.
    We will continue to drop the sodium, and I would like to see more fruits and green vegetables in her diet even against Mr Atkins advice.
    Debbys doctor has pointed her to the South Beach diet, and we are looking into it. I hope its not some fad but has some real merit to it. Thanks everyone. Kevin [​IMG]
  13. Cliner9er

    Cliner9er New Member

    not really worth messing with. Just increase H20 to compensate is a lot easier than worrying about proper K/Na ratio's. A lower sodium diet will have more natural foods as a whole and a subsequent increase in potassium. The food processing well.......process takes out potassium and increases sodium for preservative effect.

    As Bryan said a supplement of resistance training has a multifaceted effect in regards to health indicies, I would guess with the her lipid trend that her numbers would improve even more with a little more weight loss. I see no need for any pharma. treatment option. Try to increase veges and reduce some sodium and she will be well on her way.
  14. ramerez

    ramerez New Member

    As a exercise specialist ( pro name for a gym instructor)
    I set a lot of programs for people who want to lose weight
    my advise is check your diet plus a good cardio program
    The cardio routine is has to go for 20 to 30 min ,fast walking is ok
    but interval walking eg walk 500 metrs and jog 200 metres and so on for 20 to 30 mins
    which keeps the heart rate at 65 to 75 percent of max heart rate
    220 - age (42)= 178 x (.65 to 75 ) = 115 to 133 bpm
    going over 75 % a little bit over is ok but not for too long
    going under 65 % is a no no .this will stop the fat burning cycle
    try not to eat anything for an hour after the walk ,fat is still being used as an energy source,any food will stop this cycle ,just drink plain water
    Mornings are usually best for this ,because you glycogene levels
    are low and you body is forced to use fat as energy
  15. anoopbal

    anoopbal New Member

    At no time, during either rest or exercise, does any single energy system provide the complete supply of energy.The extent of the contribution of energy sysstems depend on the intensity and duration of the activity.As exercise intensity increases, there is an increase in the carbohdrate metabolism, while as the intensity decraese there is a likewise dependence on fat metabolism.Fat is the primary source of energy source for low intensity exercise(< 30% VO2) max.

    Anoop :)

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